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6311 sats \ 22 replies \ @k00b 17 May \ on: NVK hates on stacker.news as a walled garden (48:48) meta
NVK has always hated SN. Initially he said it was because we were custodial. "SN is cool but it needs to not have IOUs."
Then Primal got a KYC'd custodial wallet and he shilled it day and night as "the best lightning wallet." I lost all respect for him.
I don't know what his problem is exactly, but I appreciate how much he thinks about us.
That's because every ten31 investment gets a pass on being custodial, compromising on bitcoin, etc. by ten31 vcs, lps and friends. That whole crew are unfortunately falling prey to the entire industry they said they wouldn't be: shill the portfolio, push one narrative, say one thing in public and another in private.
Bitcoiners are eyes-wide-open people; stay that way. Keeps things in perspective. SN is great. Primal is not good for nostr and fundamentally a mediocre product. Custodial LN can be OK for small amounts. It's all 21 million shades of grey, in the end. Just don't fuck with consensus.
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The whole point of SN is to be garden. To the extent that we have a wall is a function of us prioritizing gardening, bitcoin stuff. We don't want the wall and I'm very happy many awesome developers are working on wall-breaking tech.
I also don't blame these assholes for being agape. I don't expect them to understand what we're trying to do or believe me until it's done.
P.S. If you're a founder of one their portfolio companies, please don't take their advice because it's their advice. Build what you think you should build. The taker is the one that loses when bad advice is given.
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I love SN more than I do Nostr. Stackernews gives me more information and education than Nostr. In other, I am more empowered by/on SN than Nostr. To be honest, I feel there are more self-sovereign individuals focusing their attention and time on SN than Nostr. The sense of community on SN is far better for me. And the incentives too. God bless SN!
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Bro I just want to say I love using Stacker News and the community here. I use it all the time. Haters gonna hate. You guys have built something awesome.
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I used to enjoy listening to him on his podcast, but he comes across as fairly elitist and kind of an asshole and it’s not so entertaining after a while
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It’s a good sign when people who don’t like what you’re doing feel the need to comment on it.
You only take flak when you’re over the target, as they say.
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and the funny thing is that a lot of people use primal and primal essentially caches everything in a centralized fashion from all the various relays, even though most people are only using two or three. so it's very much similar to SN just more cumbersome because of the decentralization component that's not really even being used
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fwiw Back when I was working on putting SN on nostr via Outer Space, I was told the caching relays approach to algorithms is the way nostr is expected to work: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/issues/522
In general, I got a strong ossification vibe from the nostr github devs and decided it was too early for me to put energy into fighting them and would let them work it out while I worked on the "garden" part of SN.
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Really? That's a complement. I hardly think it is true but I don't even consider Nostr and SN even close to each other.
Protocol vs a site/community. There's plenty of room for both and they don't really overlap much for me at all. I wish I got half as much value out of Nostr as I do out of SN.
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Those last three words are the important part.
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I heard that also. I love Stacker News for lots of reasons.
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