How long have you been cooking? That would give a sense of scale.

It's no small thing to figure out how much fire is the right amount, though.

Haha, I didn't post mine because I didn't want to be judged.

This is awesome -- I'm going to steal it.

I don't agree with the spirit of this. Wanting to use your money as money, the way anyone would use any money, has nothing to do with "fiat mindset" or any such thing; it does refer to the practical reality that for the forseeable future, most of the stuff you want won't be priced in btc. Acknowledging that truth is not some kind of moral failure.

This is the dumbest thing that I wish people would stop saying.

I think Sparrow used to get money from mixing, but they removed that future. Still, I think that was more of an add-on; really, the motivation was as you describe.

Saylor doesn't buy ETF, he buys btc itself.

Probably a pretty solid deterrent. Eat the slowest gazelles.

Cool idea. Seems like pretty much ideal example of a cheat code opportunity that Pete McCormack has been trying to popularize -- if you really went all-out to make a thing like this w/ maximum btc-friendliness, would bitcoiners flood it and support it? Will be v interested to follow the experiment if it develops.

I'm so glad that these folks exist and are doing their thing. What a valuable contribution to the ecosystem.

On what timescale?

It's possible, but a lot of work is being done by "somehow" in that sentence. I would like to not pretend that a flotilla of btc personalities haven't spent the last x years beating their chests like Spartans and talking about the sacred duty of orange pilling Zimbabwean dirt farmers and god knows who else, people for whom $100 is years of savings. If btc is super successful, under the current tech and social institutions, those people are fucked and their sats are stranded.

We can (and should!) expand sovereignty into something functional for the actual world, and build the infra to support those definitions, so those people really can benefit from btc. But it will be a giant lift. It's not even in sight, as far as I can tell. So if that's what you mean by somehow I am fully with you -- it can happen and I suppose it will, eventually. But I would like to acknowledge the issue and accelerate eventually.

Or I'd like to be convinced that I'm missing something crucial and that this is all fine. That would be the most pleasant route, but I don't see a way atm.

I like your perspective on this. If I expand a bit: the system is dynamic and self-adjusting. When it's super successful and lots of people want to use it, fee rates will be high. Therefore, it can't "fail" for this reason (tautology); as it began to fail, block space would free up, and fees would go down, solving the problem, at which point people would say "Yay, the problem is solved!" and the cycle would re-commence.

The logic works out. The question is, how much have we left out of the logic? Given the network effects at work, it's possible that the thing creaks forward into some semi-functional eternal state. It continues to exist, but it exists in a form that violates what most of us have considered to be its purpose up till now.

More briefly: perhaps it becomes a useful asset for a smallish number of global companies and HNWIs. But this isn't clear, either, given that the narratives that support this intangible thing having value in the first place are based on strata of belief; and if key elements of that belief erode, perhaps that story, too collapses like an arch whose keystone has crumbled.

The speculator buying stranded sats thread is the most interesting, not for that particular use case, although perhaps it could happen, like Jawas in Star Wars harvesting relics on a junk planet to scrape their living in the desert; but rather, as a creative / innovative look at what we might consider to be L2s (or L3s) that assume forms we hadn't imagined. I don't think that's enough to preserve the fiction of "sovereign cash for everyone" but would at least be interesting.

Ordered. I've been waiting for this for so long that I will feel personally insulted if it's not truly excellent, and will go on some kind of revenge quest. Stay tuned.

Haha, exactly. Perfect illustration.

It's hard to know w/ @k00b, he doesn't reveal a lot in SNL.

It is considered awesome.