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Waiting Jack Dorsey answer with calm and patience

11k sats \ 30k boost \ 21 comments \ @theariard 23 Aug bitcoin

Yesterday, I had the surprise and the displeasure to see my GH account blocked from Lightning BOLTs.

No explanation. No warning. No justification. Only a github email notification.

https://github.com/lightning/bolts/issues/1283#issuecomment-3215436665

https://github.com/lightning/bolts/pull/1285

So we have one company Block Inc, because some employees have administrative control of the Github repository can decide who is allowed and who is not allowed to contribute on Lightning….

The kind of situation to arm oneself with patience and calm.

In the meanwhile, keep building.

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57 sats \ 5 replies \ @03c43494a9 23 Aug

Hey man- it seems like you are having a tough time. I would suggest talking to a professional. You are incredibly talented and obviously something isn’t working here. Before blaming others it might be best to do some self reflection and step away from the computer.

34 sats \ 1 reply \ @standardcrypto 24 Aug

said the courageous anon to theariard.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 13h

isn't the whole point of SN that anonymous comments worth reading can stand on their own, without cheapening the value of pseudonyms for people who desire some lasting identity?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @_stacktoshi 23 Aug

Before blaming others

"No explanation. No warning. No justification. Only a github email notification."

That's not blame. He is describing the problem. Why are you defensive about this? You seem to know something about this problem.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @theariard OP 24 Aug

dear anon.

“shoot the messenger, not the message”

classic rhetorical trick since the times of Demosthene I guess.

I would suggest talking to a professional.

i’m not sure if you’re familiar with the works of Thomas Szasz and the history of abuse of psychiatry in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases_of_political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

in the meanwhile, if you wish a psychoanalysis, I read Sigmund Freund when I was young. I can offer one to you for free, you just reach out to antoine-psychoanalysis@block.xyz.

(— it’s a troll, if you’re decided to discuss more substantially about the issues at stake, i’ll do the same…).

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 13h

it looks like you might have clicked "reply" one comment too deep in the chain; however, I'm quite new to this community and still working out all the implications of its mechanics, and you could plausibly have done this deliberately ...

201 sats \ 1 reply \ @theariard OP 23 Aug

Fundamentally, if I’m asked about the conflict here I’ll describe in the following way.

You have 2 types of open-source developers in bitcoin open-source.

The first group, sincerely believe in bitcoin mission of censorship-resistant money, but if they have a hard choice to make, i.e between independence and a comfortable salary at the end of the month, they will always take the second alternative. Let’s not make angry the corporate hand that feed you, after all. And being your own boss or in charge, that’s very scary with all the responsibilities, you know…Typically Matt Corallo.

I would say that’s 80% of the contributors.

The second group, sincerely believe in bitcoin mission of censorship-resistant money too, but they don’t see themselves contributing on bitcoin, without sacrificing their personal independence. It’s free and open-source code but it’s also yourself staying free in the process. The folks who prefer to stay self-sovereign on the software run, on their finance and their responsibilities.

I would say that’s 20% of the contributors.

The problem is when the first group, more numerous in people, are starting to instrumentalize code of conduct and moderation rules, at the demand of their corporate backers, to push out the first group out of the bitcoin development forums.

At the end of the day, independent people, they might have their interests more aligned with the end-users, but that makes things slower as you know "we’re busy we have quarterly newsletter to write to our shareholders” so shut up !

(…I’ve enough friends who have been at Goldman Sachs to make an IPO if need…it’s not magic it’s just a lot lot of downsides…)

In my view, you should be free to work on bitcoin open-source, without having to bind the knee or ask permission to a random CEO with a flat listed company stock price or a bullshit messiah who never has contribute one line of code to bitcoin.

We reject: kings, presidents and voting. That’s the bitcoin way.

It’s a hill I have no problem to fight on as long as I’ll have to.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog 24 Aug

Being decentralized means there’s no clear process how to soft fork

58 sats \ 2 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 23 Aug

I bet you won't get an answer. Git being moved to total Microsoft control is likely to make this kind of thing far more common.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @theariard OP 23 Aug

I already got an answer from Microsoft actually on this subject….

Satya won’t play his reputation for Jack.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 23 Aug

Well, you did better than I did before I got banned on the git for Quarto. (They still don't have a glossary)

17 sats \ 4 replies \ @standardcrypto 24 Aug

the pussification of Bitcoin continues

next you will have to die your hair blue for BOLTs GitHub access.

🏳️‍🌈 🫏

luckily nobody actually needs lightning (yet). Low, low, lowwww sat/vbyte tx fees.

when (not if) this changes, this tempest in a teapot my dong is longer than your schlong virtue signaling bullshit will end right quick, bet on that.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 24 Aug

nobody actually needs lightning

make a post where we can fight about this

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @standardcrypto 11h

Before we start fighting, let me de escalate by trying to be more precise.

None of the economically important parts of bitcoin -- economically important enough to control development -- needs lightning.

I need lightning, for dicking around on stacker news. As an investor, long term I need lightning for bitcoin to succeed. But short term, it's ok for lightning to be a bit drifted and vulnerable to corporate capture.

Nobody with real skin in the game really feels the pain from corporate capture, or potential corporate capture, of lightning. That's my point.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10h

None of the economically important parts of bitcoin -- economically important enough to control development -- needs lightning.

Terrible escalation, because I generally agree with that.

I'd probably nit the definition of "control development", on the one hand Lightning has and will continue to influence development, but more on the shell rather than on consensus which is why I'd tend to agree. The core isn't impervious to the incentives created by the shell but it's very resilient.

As an investor, long term I need lightning for bitcoin to succeed.

See, even as a Lightning maxi I have no illusions that Lightning is needed for it to succeed as an investment. Bitcoin will always be Numeraire.

lightning to be a bit drifted and vulnerable to corporate capture

This is where I'd say lightning is needed, from a cultural perspective. Glad we found our fight!

If the culture of Bitcoin is to revolve around circular economies, self-custody, censorship resistance, then Lightning's use-cases for merchants is the only real avenue for that.

Lightning cannot succumb to ETF's or Treasury companies, the incentive for merchants to own their revenue tools or for users to buy things they're not allowed to is more levered to Lightning than the base chain.

Nobody with real skin in the game really feels the pain from corporate capture, or potential corporate capture, of lightning.

No one feels it with the chain either, ETF's and Treasury Co's as derivatives have created liquidity, not hurt it. There's no corporate capture, anything corporate is purely opt-in on either layer.

Could argue the lack of self-custody hurts miners as transactions get pooled in sql databases, corporate lightning is just an extension of that, otherwise Lightning channels create more transactions not less (Jevon's effect)