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Everybody knows that renewables (="unreliables") don't work as baseload or really at all for powering a 21st-century civilization. Yet, certain crazy and cultish ideas (#1306205) have had us try in the West for the last 25-30 years.
Here's a beautiful EU piece in the WSJ accounting for the damage done

"Political consensus is cracking, industry is hobbled and high-profile projects are being postponed thanks to some of the highest electricity prices in the developed world"

European politicians pitched the continent’s green transition to voters as a win-win: Citizens would benefit from green jobs and cheap, abundant solar and wind energy alongside a sharp reduction in carbon emissions. Nearly two decades on, the promise has largely proved costly for consumers and damaging for the economy.
Can't really stay competitive like this:
Germany now has the highest domestic electricity prices in the developed world, while the U.K. has the highest industrial electricity rates, according to a basket of 28 major economies analyzed by the International Energy Agency. Italy isn’t far behind. Average electricity prices for heavy industries in the European Union remain roughly twice those in the U.S. and 50% above China.
(hashtag, Iceland and Finland --and northern Norway -- are not like this... #1043603, #1085085)
The shift is also adding to a cost-of-living shock for consumers that is fueling support for antiestablishment parties, which portray the green transition as an elite project that harms workers, most consumers and regions.
...and they wouldn't be wrong about that. Cultish green dreams are luxury beliefs.
VERY nice summary of the physics and economics involved:
While sunlight and wind are free, harnessing them entails significant infrastructure investments, including in battery storage for when the sun isn’t shining or the wind blowing, and vast redundant capacity. These additional costs, obscured by subsidies and carbon taxes, mean energy prices in places like Germany and the U.K. are likely to remain higher than other countries for years to come, some economists say. The stubbornly high prices, Helm said, suggest it’s the overall system cost driving prices.
and, UK specific but generalizable elsewhere:
Parts of the green transition have proved unexpectedly costly. When Scotland’s biggest offshore wind farm opened in 2023, it was feted as a symbol of Britain’s push into a new era of cheap low-emissions energy. But today, British taxpayers spend tens of millions of pounds a year for the Seagreen wind farm to not produce electricity. Why? If the wind farm was left constantly on, it would send big pulses of energy from northern Scotland to southern England that would fry the U.K.’s aging grid.

"Europe’s decision to slash fossil-fuel use is unusual historically, economists say. In earlier energy transitions—from wood to coal, or coal to oil—countries continued to use the outgoing fuel while adding the new fuel on top. "

definitionally inefficient:
Helm, the Oxford professor, argues renewable energy will remain more expensive than fossil fuels because the overall system is more cumbersome. The U.K. used to meet its electricity demand with 60-70 gigawatts of power capacity. Now, the country requires twice as much capacity, 120 gigawatts, to meet slightly lower demand—not to mention the additional storage facilities and interconnector supplies to and from continental Europe.

plus, in keeping with the names... reporter's name is "fairless"? love it.
14 sats \ 3 replies \ @OT 5h
I think the UK and Germany's high prices weren't due to investment in renewable energy, it was mainly because they shut down coal and gas plants too early.
Anyway, they'll just have to learn the hard way.
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I mean, same thing? But ok
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Not really. They could have kept them going, even investing or upgrading old plants while renewables were coming online.
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maybe, but that required them to have different ideas/motives... i.e., you're assuming/hope everything were different.
The problem is that their obsession was get rid of fossil fuels asap, at any cost, and that same obsession -- the problem I'm ridiculing -- also had them build unreliables like mad.
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Hahaha! Britain strapped a Doomsday Device to their own economy!
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The US is now more dependent than ever on fossil fuels and its fossil fuels are running out. China leads on energy by a huge margin. Electricity in China is a less than half the cost in USA and Chinas generation capacity is growing rapidly while US generation is stagnant. China is building multiple new nuclear plants while the USA has taken decades to build any new nuclear generation and what is being build is 500% more expensive than the new nuclear generation China is building. there will be huge electricity shortages in the US if projected AI investment continues. USA cannot build things anywhere near as efficiently as China can.
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European politicians pitched the continent’s green transition to voters as a win-win: Citizens would benefit from green jobs and cheap, abundant solar and wind energy alongside a sharp reduction in carbon emissions.
In Germany at least, it was the other way around: Environmentalists have been pitching that for ages while obstructing anything to do with nuclear power. But most politicians were warning about the technology not being ready yet to produce enough energy affordably. Even some members of the Green party were pumping the brakes ever so slightly on public expectations. At the time, the roadmap was to gradually introduce a mix over a long period (iirc switching off nuclear plants in the late 2020s or early 2030s).
Then Fukushima happened. And Germans did what Germans do when tragedy strikes: They held candle vigils. Vigilists turned up in such great numbers that aunty Merkel, as the political opportunist she was, did a 180 on those plans to gradually mix renewables into the energy mix and brought the whole timeline forward. And later, when the Green party got back into power, that timeline was shortened even more.
It was somewhere around that Merkel point, that the political narrative switched. On this topic at least, they turned to what any successful Youtuber eventually does: Tell their audience exactly what they want to hear, regardless of what reality looks like.
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While in EU politics dictates over engineering and the result is an expensive and dysfunctional mess, in China the politicians are 80% engineers and they understand that the real solutions are based in engineering. Today China has the cheapest electricity of any major industrialized economy- 50% cheaper than any other major manufacturing nation. They also lead in energy efficiency technology. Germany and the EU show how NOT to do it. China has shown how it can be done- a growing economy with reducing GHG emissions and rapidly increasing productivity and energy efficiency.
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China is showing how its done- not that many in the decadent west are listening. Leading via engineering. China began in the early 2000s by setting energy efficiency as a primary objective- leading to China developing world leading productivity in PVs, wind, hydro, and nuclear power generation and in the manufacturing of LEDs, and high efficiency motors, EVs, batteries, air conditioning, and refrigeration. Building the renewable power generation and distribution technology that gives Chinese businesses long term strategic advantage over the financialised west that has forgotten how to build things. Britain first new nuclear power generation plant for 40years is being constructed by a French - Chinese consortium- how humiliating for Great Britain that once built its empire on engineering. China took US nuclear blueprints and improved them and is now building dozens of new nuclear power plants and at a fraction of the cost the sole new US nuclear plant will cost when it is eventually commissioned.
By focusing on engineering- how to design and build, China understands the basis of economic development- something the west pioneered but has forgotten in its neoliberal financialised decadence.
Smog is rapidly becoming a thing of the past in major Chinese cities as EVs replace fossil fueled cars, trucks and buses. Europe tried to do it but is mired in paralysis and politics while Chinas poliburo are 80% composed of engineers who are focused upon building a productive wealthy and sustainable future. To tackle energy and climate change you need engineering to the fore in the decision making process.
With USA now led by a sociopathic crony capitalist autocrat who denies the science of climate change because he is funded by big oil and coal and is dividing his own citizens along multiple lines, China is well positioned to gain not just economic leadership, but soft power credibility as USA declines into idiocracy and corruption.
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