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UC, Berkeley labor survey

...finds that the world’s employed adult population works an average of 42 hours a week. This number contains multitudes. Gender, age and levels of economic development affect how many hours people work. Many jobs are not neatly packaged into five eight-hour days. But the 40-hour week is still a norm.

Some want to trade money for leisure, and others leisure for money. What else is new:

In Germany and Britain, people would be happy to sacrifice some money in return for more leisure time: the optimal workweek in Germany, for example, would last 37 hours. Americans, in contrast, would like to work longer and get more money. This might either be a comment on the precariousness of Americans’ finances or the fecklessness of Europeans.

I often tend to think that there's a quality dimension, too. I can write or edit all day, every day, but it won't be very good after ~4-5 peak hours a day.

"You might argue that the optimal workweek is defined by output, not hours."

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99 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Dec

Americans take home pay is so much higher than Europeans’. Of course we generally want to work relatively more, the marginal benefit is higher.

Personally, I’m more like a European. Pay me less and let me work less.

69 sats \ 5 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 12 Dec

knowing nothing else, you'd expect someone with a higher (real, takehome) wage be willing to substitute some for extra leisure... and conversely, someone relatively poorer willing to substitute some of their time for extra money.

But alas the world is stupid, and Europeans (#1056458), being lazy and silly, rather chill -- and rely on others for their daily bread. And overworked, consumerist Americans desire even more stuff.

I'm not sure who's the worst villain here

69 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker 12 Dec

This question of whether higher wages leads to more or less work is a common question we pose in intermediate micro, and the answer is that it could be either depending on how you draw the indifference curves haha

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Dec

Is leisure a normal good?

I bring this up a lot when people talk about how income taxes lead to less work. It’s not clear that they either do or should.

69 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 12 Dec

Good point. But then that makes the deadweight loss of taxation even harder to explain.

(Not meaning the DWL isn't there, more in the sense that it's hard to explain to people where DWL comes from).

67 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Dec

That’s a great point! I don’t think I’ve seen it raised before.

Yeah, it’s harder to explain the economic importance of what amounts to forgone leisure.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Dec

It’s not straightforward because a higher wage means leisure time is more expensive.

This is pretty heavily discussed amongst labor economists because people generally respond (or fail to) to wage increases weirdly.

118 sats \ 3 replies \ @Scoresby 12 Dec

world’s employed adult population works an average of 42 hours a week

"The world's average human height is 5.525 inches" is also a statement that does not carry a whole lot of information.

209 sats \ 2 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 12 Dec

truly.

my friend's favorite version: "if I told an alien that the average human has 1 testicle and 1 tit, they'd get a VERY strange idea of humans"

94 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 12 Dec

It's probably closer to 0.95 testicles and 1.05 tits, but I take your point.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 12 Dec

Crazy... female-male divergence, or are you saying men have tits?!

(if we count the obese male Americans, then that number ought to be WAY higher)

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @winteryeti 12 Dec

I wish life was 9-to-5. I put in a 12 hour day regularly, 6 days a week usually.

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @Sandman 12 Dec

I don't kill myself with many hours working for money. I love to have more time for kids.

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 12 Dec

yes, Rihanna says hi

HAHAHA this song is my jam!

33 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 12 Dec

Have you heard of 'Therapeutic Laziness'?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 12 Dec

Noooo, say more?

54 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 12 Dec

This might either be a comment on the precariousness of Americans’ finances or the fecklessness of Europeans.

imma go with fecklessness of Europeans. Because it's fun to say. And because the french are cheese eating surrender monkeys

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 12 Dec

don't forget the snails

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 12 Dec

But the 40-hour week is still a norm.

In Portugal, only public sector workers do 35 hours. In the private sector it’s 40.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @d680ecaa8e 14h

Work must fit the effort.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 15h

In Shadow - a Modern Odyssey 13-min animated short film;

"Nine to five is still alive."