017.5%
116.5%
212.6%
313.6%
4-627.2%
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110 sats \ 0 replies \ @orthwyrm 30 Jul 2023
Over the years I think I've owned ~10-12. Most of these were gathering dust so I disposed of them. These days my collection is down to 3 (for multi-sig).
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100 sats \ 3 replies \ @brianh 30 Jul 2023
What do people like to use besides Ledger or Trezor?
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150 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 30 Jul 2023
ColdCard and Blockstream Jade are great
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nightsofbitcoin 30 Jul 2023
Jade is a good introductory hardware wallet for newbies.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @l0k18 30 Jul 2023
It's also one of the few that doesn't involve microwave radios. Although I don't think NFC is a big deal since it barely reaches a centimetre.
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200 sats \ 15 replies \ @nullcount 30 Jul 2023
Why do I need one when I have a USB with TailsOS installed and know how to do air gapped signing?
Mfers always tryna shill their favorite hardware. But i live by the rule: "if it has to be sold to you, you don't actually need it"
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @llamabyte 30 Jul 2023
Same goes for religion and spirituality.
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0 sats \ 13 replies \ @nullama 30 Jul 2023
That counts as a hardware wallet in my mind though...
Maybe a DYI hardware wallet, but it's kinda the same anyway.
And you're kinda shilling your own favorite hardware as well. You can also for example use a Raspberry Pi Zero with Electrum to make your own hardware wallet...
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30 sats \ 11 replies \ @nullcount 30 Jul 2023
Lmao not shilling. You can call it a HWW but most people already have a PC and a spare USB. Most people do not already have a dedicated signing device made by some company that pays an inflooencor like jimmy to promote.
There is no profit in educating bitcoiners to use the tools they already have. Easier and more profit in selling them overpriced hardware.
Hardware wallet companies are honeypots. They leak data about bitcoiners. Owning a hardware wallet or being seen with one identifies you as a bitcoin holder to anyone who knows what a HWW looks like.
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 30 Jul 2023
I agree with you, but also I think there is a niche for people that don't want to deal with a DIY wallet and just want to buy a ready-to-go, purpose-built device.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @llamabyte 30 Jul 2023
truth. its why its being pushed so much as the safest way to do things. If they can sell you an "ab-crunch machine" they can make money
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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @dtonon 30 Jul 2023
Even if you boot a PC with a live distro you cannot be sure it is full airgapped because you cannot phisically detach the WiFi/BT modules and you cannot control if a potentially malicious software writes the main storage leaking data.
Btw a such system is a really good way to learn how to manage a cold storage and actually has a good security if you proper setup it (ex. full disk encryption for the main disk).
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30 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullcount 30 Jul 2023
Older laptops have removable wifi cards and no bluetooth. But I understand the limitation. Personally, having a record that I puchased a "Bitcoin Product" is a bigger threat than someone sniffing my bluetooths for private keys or some shit.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 30 Jul 2023
Then you might also need a VPN or TOR since your ISP will know you visited SN, and they probably sell your data to the highest bid.
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @nullama 30 Jul 2023
You can always build a computer without WiFI/BT, they are external components.
And for example the Raspberry Pi Zero comes ready to use without any networking devices, no WiFi, and no BT.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @dtonon 30 Jul 2023
I was commenting the user case of using the PC you already own via Tailscale.
If you have to think about a new hardware and don't want to be registered as "bitcoin user" a SeedSigner is a really good, if not perfect, choise: off-the-shelf components for less than $50 and open source software:
https://nostr.com/nevent1qqsqqqqqw6nzsdsk0qh3ha7hsvcepx9jaqx7u6t2y0fra936wrffkyszypaaaaa7ytwcuk05vq8qgj498gw0jadfm37j0h6cxw780kmcffvq2e7s7w4
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @llamabyte 30 Jul 2023
Tailscale in not the same thing as TAILS. FYI
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @dtonon 31 Jul 2023
Oh yes, sorry wrong/lazy typing, thank you for pointing it out :)
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @maths 1 Aug 2023
Use Tails, Electrum, and a border wallet and you don’t need any persistence or connections on the laptop or USB
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @dtonon 1 Aug 2023
Of course you don't need them. The problem here is that storage and WiFi are actually connected and you cannot prove that a malicious software on the live distro don't use them somehow.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @llamabyte 30 Jul 2023
It's not a hardware wallet because having a wallet app on your phone is not a hardware wallet. Same thing, different peripherals.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 30 Jul 2023
Many! I even collect some. If bitcoin really does change humanity over the next 50 to 100 years it will be cool to look at the old hardware that came out and possibly develop an antique market around bitcoin tech.
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24 sats \ 0 replies \ @l0k18 30 Jul 2023
I'm a terrible boatie. They are all gone!
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64 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta 30 Jul 2023
SeedSigner is all you need. I don't trust hardware wallet from companys. Just build your own SeedSigner with Raspberry Pi and flash the open-source software.
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10 sats \ 5 replies \ @sudonaka 30 Jul 2023
zero i lost it in a boating accident
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10 sats \ 4 replies \ @supratic 31 Jul 2023
lier
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @sudonaka 31 Jul 2023
prove it
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @supratic 31 Jul 2023
I can see where you hide them
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @sudonaka 31 Jul 2023
show me the warrant =)
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61 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic 31 Jul 2023
I'll, every time you open your mouth :P
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ladyluck 31 Jul 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ryu 30 Jul 2023
One hardware wallet setup with one standard and one hidden wallet is arguably all that's needed for most people.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @phamtruax 30 Jul 2023
bitbox
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @petertodd 30 Jul 2023
I own lots, mainly because people keep giving me them.
I use basically none, other than a trivial amount for testing.
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