Peter McCormack has mentioned a couple of times that he's postponing (or considering it?) his tax payments so that instead of paying x amount of BTC's worth now he can pay them a fraction of x BTC's worth at some later point. Apparently in the UK, if you don't pay your taxes on time, they'll send you reminder letters and you can postpone it for a long time without serious consequences, like hefty fines. The worst they will do is add some meagre interest.
So postponing your tax payments is effectively an interest-free or low-interest loan from HMRC (if you believe you owe them anything to begin with) you're guaranteed to get, regardless of your credit history.
It's a speculative attack on fiat and its mispriced discount rates. Discount rate arbitrage. They think the 5% or whatever interest they're charging you is a lot and that it's enough to scare you into paying on time; little do they know...
I've applied this approach myself in a more softcore version to two things recently:
  1. My water bill. I used to pay twice a year - in March and September, for 6 months up front. My next bill, £267, was due by the end of this month. I looked at the water company's website yesterday and found I could switch to monthly payments. So I switched to paying monthly, which compared to the semi-annual payments was like a zero-interest installment plan. Not only that: the first payment I'm due is on May 1st! So no water bills for me for another 6-7 weeks.
I don't need to tell you where that £267 went.
  1. My mortgage. I had made overpayments on my mortgage a long time ago and had forgotten about it. My mortgage allows me to underpay from the overpayments made in the past. I was due a payment last week. The day before I called the lender and arranged an underpayment, and ended up not paying at all this month. It means my monthly payments will go up a bit in the future, but at the 3.39% interest rate it was a no-brainer.
An extra £770 not debited from my bank account and exchanged for you-know-what.
I think this can be part of a successful "living off of bitcoin" strategy.
By holding most (all?) of your wealth in BTC and then paying for things out that, you get to reap the appreciation of btc. Key to this concept is: never cashing out, only pay for things from your stack as needed.
So there is never a question of "should I cashout once it hits XXXX?" NO. Instead simply pay your bills normally from your stack. I honestly think once banks start to be able to custody BTC, this will become the norm.
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Bingo. This is #GetOnZero.
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I've been doing this as well. Get on a tax deferral payment plan. The interest is considerably lower than the price appreciation of bitcoin over a 4 year cycle.
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This is the way
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That's already possible in Brazil with bank apps like Bipa. Just recently they added the possibility of making PIX payments (in BRL) using your BTC balance
I didn't try it yet but I will soon!
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27 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 14 Mar
Amazing... you need CPF for everything
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I never said it's perfect 😅
But if you don't mind KYC for small payments it's a good choice
I didn't try it yet but I will soon!
I tested yesterday to pay for groceries and it worked well. There's a 1.3% fee on top of the payment though... or 1.5% I don't recall exactly. A little expensive IMO
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I thought about that too. Normally I only keep in fiat what I need to pay my bills in the coming weeks. But it makes sense to even put it all in BTC straight away and if I need to pay some bills in two weeks from now, pay from the BTC stash. Its fiat value may go up or down during those 2 weeks, but on average it goes up (positive EV).
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At some point...the calculation of your (BTC-stack x Price) - (Bills * Inflation) will yield escape velocity.
That is, at some point your BTC will never be depleted simply because its massively outpacing inflation.
Probably if you are at 30-40 BTC at current levels you are already there (maybe less). As BTC tops 500K that number probably falls to only needing a 7-8 BTC stack....
This is why its so important to build up stack size as much as possible now. Literally at some point you will be able to live the rest of your life on 1 BTC.
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"It's a speculative attack on fiat"
As an American who is so sad about how the past two wars played out, I'm doing this now with the current one and the lockdown stimulus now. It's not just that they can't take my bitcoin. They can't take it and use it to kill people. I'm actually happy to pay my taxes, but am delaying so many payments because I'm right with you on this post!
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In Portugal, it is possible to pay taxes in installments if you cannot afford to pay everything at once. I don't know many details, but it is possible to do this in certain circumstances.
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This is also possible in the US. For example, if you had to take out your retirement early, you'd owe a huge tax, but can just use the money you withdrew to buy bitcoin and get on an approved tax payment plan and pay a couple hundred bucks a month.
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I think it's possible in the UK too. What Peter meant, however, doesn't involve obtaining permission.
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Delaying payment and make use of the extra cash is a form of good debt.
But you could find it hard to manage once bear market hits, and it does make cashflow harder to track.
I use installments as much as possible and also pay in 4 that don't charge any extra fee.
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Using Leverage I see
I recently took this advice and it’s worked out well for me since Bitcoin went up.
But I also got burned in 2021 run up and still paying for using leverage.
Just be smart and remain humble.
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It's not exactly leverage, it's more about delaying payments where possible and cheap. For example, by paying my water bill up for 6 months ahead I was subsidizing the water company, and I figured out I didn't have to.
Hope you recover.
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There's no leverage here. It's simply a bet that over the long term bitcoin appreciates against fiat currencies designed to debase forever.
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Forgoing paying debt to invest is using leverage.
It’s not in a bitmex degen 100% leverage play. But it’s still leverage it’s debt based leverage
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I suppose. The key is doing it responsibly. Income > expenses or you're gonna become a forced seller at the wrong time
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That only works in a situation right now. If there is a bearmarket coming, you get burned by this strategy.
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wow! good strategy, really well thought out, every £ counts if it's to invest in Bitcoin
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save* in Bitcoin
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This is actually not a bad idea 💡
I'm also trying to postpone any payments which would require me to transfer my precious BTC to fiat.
I'm usually against loans and credits but If for any reason I need to make an urgent payment of some sort - I will seriously consider taking a loan or credit instead of converting Bitcoin.
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Energy Bills and Council Bills are similar in interest-free instalments so could be another avenue for you to explore while the bull rages on.
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Mortgage is monthly and water & power is bi-monthly in Los Angeles
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I live in the US. I have credit card bills. Some of those credit cards have high APR interest fees. I want to be able to make some payments to those high APR cards at some point when this next bull market really gets going strong. How can I use some of my sats to make payments towards my credit card balances?
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You used to be able to do that pretty easily with Bitrefill, but, somewhere around ~2022, someone decided they didn't like you demonetizing your debt with Bitcoin so they've made it much harder.
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