I would say seek to comprehend the others position and perhaps how they came to it. Then say your piece and leave it at that.

Sometimes when we say something that another hasn’t heard before it plants a seed and that’s enough. No point in trying to hammer the point any further.

As a teacher, I encounter this often. Sometimes the words I say will only sink in many years later. Gotta take a low time perspective

I try to understand where they're coming from and wish them well as they go about knocking their head against the same problem repeatedly. You can speak, and transfer info you can't transfer comprehension, do what you can and accept that people have free will to make their own decisions based on the information they are willing to accept

TBH, I won't waste a bit of my time trying to make someone happy

I teach sociology, which is super hard to teach, as it questions pretty much everything you think is true in everyday life (much like bitcoin does...), and the hard part is that the new knowledge is in conflict with what "they've always know to be true" (but isn't.)

What people think is deeply intertwined with who they think they are. "refusal to understand" is usually that: it's the realisation, conscious or not, that changing this piece of knowledge would change self-images and social relations.

This is especially true when the "new knowledge" goes against what the media usually present and what aunties usually say, i.e., "dominant social knowledges". To change this stance means to put oneself in conflict with one's social circles (and more).

(This is related to the old insight that it is impossible to make someone understand something if their paycheck is dependent on them not understanding it, which is a way of saying, the people that pay them require them to not uderstand it. the same goes for friends and family when it's their self-image and social connections.)

That "refusal to learn" is thus often a form of fear to fall out, and it's quite justified fear, practically speaking.

What solves it is inclusion in a social circle where this "new knowledge" is respected and honored, and realizing this is a SLOW chain. The slow learning you needed is the slow learning others need as well; they are not computers to be fed data to process immediately, and they have the same social shifts you have.

Also, of course, you need a strategic assessment of who you need to convince and who you don't. One mistake peope always make is thinking "but everyone has to understand this and be on my side!". No, they don't. There are some people who are central to draw on your side. Some people don't have to be convinced, it maks no difference if they agree with you or not, and pure pride shouldn't be a reason; they can safely be ignored, when what they think is not your problem (literally, as in, it makes no problem for you).

Listen.

If it is about bitcoin I take the Satoshi approach “If you don’t believe me or don’t get it, I don’t have time to try to convince you, sorry”

You will never win when they have already made up there mind, even if you are right. Just let it go and move on.

Self realization is a delayed reaction after someone just gave you a good advice. This person will even think that you did not help him although you did.

I seek to understand their position, usually for a brief moment. Because I think #1 is a waste of time and #2 often assumes I know it all.

“If you think you know everything, you know nothing.”

that what happens with my family, I honestly started to feel what Noah felt and the prophets ~

I become the enemy to them ~

speak the truth or hold your peace. talk to someone else, keep practicing.

if you are not ready to speak the truth, or if the listener is not ready to hear the truth, stay silent and wait. prepare for the right moment, keep learning. you will know when the moment is right. for most people it takes a few points of contact with the truth before they begin to accept it.

if you are ready, do not hesitate, say what must be said. lies are like evil spells. every word that counters the lies counts in this fight. keep chipping away at the lies relentlessly, and we're going to win.

I will sometimes try to deflect, and take an alternative path.

For instance, instead of trying to convince someone that Bitcoin is the greatest thing ever, I might try to argue that inflation is theft. That's also a very important thing to understand, and I think it comes more readily than enlightenment about Bitcoin. I wish I had understood the inflation thing much sooner.

Also, "inflation is theft" doesn't have the whole "crypto is a scam" baggage that Bitcoin does.

hmm were you speaking with @janetyellen recently?

People love to prove you wrong - So, give them an option to prove you wrong! Like, "Ah, you would never figure it out anyway."

I've tried the nice approach for over a half decade now - and the ones that have resisted all these years I gave up and turned to dismissal or reverse psychology and I'm surprised how well it's working.

Unless he's someone who's my loved one, I keep silent and leave him with ignorance. But, when it comes to my family and someone I care a lot, I will do whatever it takes to mke them understand.

Have you tried mocking them?

I've always loved the instruction about this in Proverbs 26: 4-5.

I've always loved the wisdom behind this (sadly, not that I keep it all the time). Even those of us that take the Hebrew Bible as from God need to remember that the proverbs are wisdom literature. So there's a subjective element.

What I get out of this brilliant back-to-back juxtaposition is that we should argue our case for the sake of the fool as long as it doesn't suck us into that manner of thinking.

Basically, I agree with @Nadia. The difficulty is in seeing when someone is innocently ignorant or willfully ignorant. I may not be great at interpreting my own thoughts, but its a total guessing game discerning someone else's. Using the advice in these proverbs, we don't even need to know that answer though. We can try to help until the moment that we see ourselves getting sucked into emotional or irrational arguments.

As a content creator and someone who tries to educate, let me give you my personal view. For the purpose of my answer, I consider the conversation as a tool to learn. I really like hearing people and enrich my thoughts and give my perspective in order to gain more...quality, to say at least.

First and foremost, you smell when the conversation is going to die in short because the other part doesn't have the littlest interest of learn, listen or debate, he/she only insists to be heard. So, I give my insights, you know the other part doesn't have the interest of talk, only give his/her perspective.

How do you detect a good conversation? Is when you enjoying, even if you're not 1% supporting their points of view, you feel comfortable speaking, sharing your perspective. That's something my sats can't buy.

What will you do then when is not worth? Let people finish their thoghts and move on. Excuse yourself and find other source.

That's the most annoying moment

First of all, I think sometimes people do not want to understand, as admitting to be wrong could impact their self-esteem and bring it to the ground. Some people are just fragile. However, the first step to convince someone is usually to understand where their opinions come from and why they are so stuck on it. Questions is what you need. “Why do you think that?” “But what do you think would happen if…” and on and on!

Find the way they communicate and try to match them where they are. Understand how they feel. Use questions to get them on track. Find the building blocks of knowledge they lack in order to get your top point across. Create a fun story to engage them and get them thinking.