Ukraine: Further attempts at escalation \ stacker news ~news

721 sats \ 34 comments \ @TomK 26 Aug news

It's really interesting to see how Europe, with the help of the Zelensky regime, is trying to escalate this war and, above all, get the #USA more involved again. But they are cutting their budgets and don't seem to want to be dragged into a European affair this time.

From a libertarian point of view, the third position would be the correct stance: neutrality in the face of this conflict and at the same time humanitarian aid for those who need it. Fueling this war with ever-fresh liquidity is a crime.

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78 sats \ 12 replies \ @didiplaywell 26 Aug

From a libertarian point of view, you want no war, that's a given. But once it starts, if it affects you even indirectly, you do want to take a stance. In this case, if Russia conquers Ukraine, Europe comes next. But, this is the first time I'm seeing little to no difference between Russia and Europe. Europe is devolving into a Russian-style dictatorship, plus the cultural decadence. It's insane that we have come to the point where we are comparing two regimes and the Russian one comes out as the least culturally decadent. It's almost comical at this point.

The European collapse into a socialist dictatorship that little has to envy to Russia makes me for the first time think that a neutral policy is both correct and viable. Who are we helping here? Which socialist regime? Does it makes sense to chose anymore? ...what a tragedy...

321 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 26 Aug

The bitcoiners have the best motto here: defund the state. This is a universal law that applies always and everywhere. Strong communities, the family as a social basis and society can begin a process of healing

68 sats \ 0 replies \ @didiplaywell 26 Aug

No doubt in my mind that's the way. My concern is how difficult the evolution will now become. I never, in my life, thought I would feel safer in Argentina.

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 26 Aug

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11 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 26 Aug

Russia won't conquer Ukraine. Putin wants a buffer zone and neutrality, i.e. no expansion of NATO

31 sats \ 3 replies \ @didiplaywell 26 Aug

No better way to avoid that neutrality than invading Ukraine, ensuring NATO is now obliged to annex it into the alliance and prompting all other previously neutral states to join as well. The cartoonish delirium Putin has exhibited is beyond words and will go down in history. I still can't believe it.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 26 Aug

Ukraine won't join NATO because they don't have the votes especially in USA where 67 Senators have to approve

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @didiplaywell 26 Aug

Retaliation is key. Such brutality from Russia can't be accepted as "diplomacy". You do not negotiate with terrorists. Ukraine will join NATO, that's a given.

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 26 Aug

Ukraine is too poor and corrupt to qualify for NATO membership

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @jgbtc 26 Aug

if Russia conquers Ukraine, Europe comes next.

I don't think so. Putin doesn't want NATO on Russia's border. That's it.

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @didiplaywell 26 Aug

He has just achieved just that. From a recent note:

"Finland - which has a 1,340km (832 mile) land border with Russia - joined in April 2023. Sweden became a member in March 2024. Both had applied to join in May 2022, shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, having been neutral for decades. Ukraine, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Georgia also hope to join Nato."

Utter folly and fatal conceit from a senile delirant dictator who lost the very last connections he had with reality.

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 26 Aug

Here is a brief history of NATO: founded in 1949 with 12 original members When the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, NATO had 16 members Today there are 32 members, the alliance doubled after the collapse of USSR!

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 26 Aug

Ukraine and Georgia are redlines for Russia, not just Putin.

32 members are enough, we don't need more!

47 sats \ 2 replies \ @Satosora 26 Aug

Not only the US, they want to pull in the EU, too Just let Putin and Zelensky duke it out in a room by themselves.

41 sats \ 1 reply \ @TomK OP 26 Aug

it is the UK and EU that are the driving forces here. always remember who prevented the negotiated peace treaty between Zelenski and Putin in 2022: bojo the clown

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 26 Aug

Well, they are the ones that are going to come out ahead in the end.

21 sats \ 7 replies \ @psychosage 26 Aug

Welp, I am new to this app and accidentally zapped this post twice trying to go back to the home page, so I guess I now have to reply given that I have essentially supported Russian propaganda.

No, I am not suggesting you are Russian, or a Russian propagandist. I have tried not to chime in on anything war related because I am not here to serve peoples ego, therefor propagandist messaging will always defeat me.

I will say, however, since I am here that you ask yourself the question, “who stands to gain from the messages I promote?” If you are not one of them, why bother at all? If it only serves to get some cheap kicks out of making contrarian talking points, it would be less damaging to the real world if you relegated that to more trivial topics like video games or whatever.

Going back to “who stands to gain” - if you do benefit, carry on, you probably are indeed Russian and a beneficiary of the Putin regime. If you are not a Russian benefitting from the Putin regime, I’m afraid you’ve been duped. Anti-war sentiment is useful to feel good about yourself, but it is only to the benefit of the belligerent of war when those largely unaffected by their crimes are touting anti-war messaging. The belligerent can keep making war all they want they can convince anti-war citizens to influence their leaders with the same stance.

If you could time travel, would you kill Hitler? Personally, I wouldn’t. I might, however, try my best to arm Poland to the gills with landmines and other anti-tank weaponry. But in reality, I would not do that either, because I am a 21st century web designer who plays block games in his free time. I could not even fathom the scope of the unseen damage sown by negligent actions.

Conservatism tempers liberal hubris. Progressivism tempers conservative complacency. This post seems to have somehow used hubris to maintain complacency and I am not even sure how to begin to try to gently guide you toward a more sensical narrative. So, if any of this reply makes sense, let me know if you want me to elaborate on anything.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @TomK OP 26 Aug

i don't think you understand what function wars have in the fiat money system and how they arise and how they are escalated and to what consequences they lead. but of course you are free to follow your own opinion and absorb the propaganda you are surrounded with. and no i am not russian and no i don't want to live in a russian regime but i still believe as a person who grew up in the formerly free west that neutrality is a position that has its justification. especially from a humanist point of view. You should urgently look into the geopolitical situation in Ukraine, its history and the maximum demands that the British and their proponents in particular have repeatedly made for the dismantling of the Russian empire. This is about access to resources and pricing power.

47 sats \ 5 replies \ @psychosage 26 Aug

You are right that it is about access to resources and pricing power. Everything else is based on the false premise that these institutions have adults in the room. Knowing that, you are left with the path of least human suffering. Sometimes you have to burn a line in the forest to stop a blaze spreading to exponentially more damage.

Truth and love always prevail because light eventually sheds on lies and hate. It gets messy sometimes, and that sucks. I know it seems paradoxical, but there is indeed less human suffering involved by stopping Putin. Putin is a dark triad. The only thing he wants is more for himself, and when he doesn’t, more suffering on others will suffice. This isn’t a propagandist narrative, it’s verifiable scientific research based on how narcissistic machveiallian psychopaths function. When you use the dark triad as the north star for how Putin thinks and functions, his trajectory is quite predictable.

Stopping him is the only way. And it does not require dismantling the Russian state as you seem to think I am suggesting. All it takes is to get enough Russian citizens pissed off at him and kick him out of the Kremlin, crossing their fingers that someone with a better head on their shoulders will take over. Ukraine knows this, and they know that killing (and preferably capturing) young Russian conscripts is a good way to do that. They probably have a thousand other reasons to do what they are doing, but again, I am some idiot playing keyboard warrior and not much else.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @TomK OP 26 Aug

i can understand your point from your point of view, but i completely disagree. firstly, i don't believe that you can defeat a nuclear power like Russia with such a stable economy and low national debt and support for the political regime in war. and secondly, i have just as little faith in our so-called elites as the eu or the entire criminal force in London not to believe that a lot is being played wrong here too. hence my position of neutrality, and saving as many lives as possible. And from a libertarian point of view, I could also care less whether I live under the criminal force A or the crook force B

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @psychosage 26 Aug

If you want to stay neutral, stay silent. By saying something, you are picking a side. You spoke, and picked a side. I spoke and obviously picked the opposing side. As a consequence, both crooks won and we lost because we could have been spending our precious time on things that we can directly control, like our individual economic output, or supporting our families, or strengthening our community, or speaking about things that we are experts in and actually have some semblance of authority in our assertions.

22 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 26 Aug

Stay silent? Who are You to give orders? The EU Commission? Or the UK government? I hope You made a joke, my friend.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @psychosage 26 Aug

I can barely order a coffee in the morning, brother. You should seek elsewhere if you’re looking for a C.O.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @032d74705c 26 Aug

Brother... interesting. I guess he is not your brother and he doesn't want to be your brother. I would never start a discussion with a psycho. So just stay away from this guy @TomK

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satoshi__Nakamoto 26 Aug

Appreantly it is true I have doubt on USA tho

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Octopus 26 Aug outlawed

stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 26 Aug

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