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Why doesn't Nixon get more hate (or does he?)

599 sats \ 34 comments \ @stack_harder 19 Nov econ

ok so a few weeks back I read the excellent Fiat Foods (author Matthew Lysiak had an AMA here #740044) and Nixon came up quite a bit and I just can't help wondering, why he doesn't cop more shit to this day.

For example, Margret Thatcher is still hotly debated in the UK and, seems to me, is a largely hated figure, even now and Nixon just seems worse.

Then again, I'm not in the US and I wasn't around in the 70s so maybe I'm wrong and maybe like gold bugs still get mad at him?

Or maybe US foreign policy and other wars have just eclipsed Nixon?

What do you guys think?

oh, as an example from the book, i got ChatGPT to summarise the Nixon anti-highlights

Removal from the Gold Standard: In 1971, Nixon ended the direct convertibility of the U.S. dollar to gold, leading to fiat currency. This move is linked to economic inflation, which the administration sought to mask through various strategies, including manipulating food prices.

Appointment of Earl Butz: Nixon appointed Earl Butz as Secretary of Agriculture. Butz, with ties to agribusiness, promoted policies favoring large-scale industrial farming. His "get big or get out" approach led to the decline of small farms and the rise of monoculture crops, impacting food quality and diversity.

Shift to Processed Foods: The administration's policies encouraged the production of cheap, calorie-dense processed foods. This shift aimed to keep food prices low amid inflation but contributed to long-term health issues like obesity and diabetes.

Influence on Nutrition Science: The book suggests that during Nixon's tenure, there was manipulation of nutrition science to promote certain dietary guidelines. This led to the demonization of fats and the promotion of carbohydrates, aligning with the interests of the processed food industry.

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40 sats \ 0 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 19 Nov

Wrote a whole book review on Nixon recently here: https://booklight.top/posts/2024-11-05-watergate

In the context of that specific post, Nixon was removed by deep state kinds of elements that featured future heavy hitters like Hillary Clinton. The reason he was removed was because, the research of the book presents, he had plans to cut the federal government down. That didn't sit well with the swamp, and everyone started trying to figure out ways to get rid of him.

As for the rest of his policies, I think the general feeling I have is that they were products of their time and any manner of "radical change" got you ham strung. The military industrial complex was all ready advancing its goals heavily by then.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @cascdr 19 Nov

He does get shit
The shit he gets is for the wrong things (Watergate, being a big meanie)
It was all a deep state psyop to counter the good things he was doing like cutting the government size and reigning in the CIA
Bob Woodward won "journalistic prizes" for breaking stories on Watergate. He was "previously" a naval intelligence officer. Total coincidence.
He SHOULD get shit for defaulting on gold convertibility, the war on drugs and turning agriculture in the US into a fucking joke.

3 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 19 Nov

gold bugs

Quite possibly the most retarded class of people and a great counter-signal

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @stack_harder OP 20 Nov

i don't know any personally, but their criticisms of fiat money, printing and mmt seem to mirror bitociners, just the proposed solution is different

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 20 Nov

Important to remember that it's gold bugs that created fiat money because their shit money requires banks to work, gold bugs are the fiat regime, they're just too stupid to realize it.

32 sats \ 1 reply \ @jasonb 19 Nov

Pretty sure Nixon gets a good deal of hate. Having lived 40+ years in the USA, I’ve NEVER heard anyone say something nice about Nixon. Mostly, he’s just the but of jokes though, so maybe people don’t really view him as a villain so much as a losers.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 20 Nov

It is interesting that's his image has been softened with ridicule. probably better to be seen as a buffon than a villain i suppose

32 sats \ 25 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

Nixon is probably the most universally disliked American president. You're right, though, it's still not enough.

46 sats \ 24 replies \ @justin_shocknet 19 Nov

He won in an unprecedented landside and needed to be removed by the CIA / deep state via psyop.

What MSM article told you he was universally disliked? In many ways he saved the country so the globalists staged a coup.

30 sats \ 23 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

Price fixing, war escalation, clearly despising many Americans, and just generally being a Dick. Since I actually talk to normal people, I don't need to be told whether someone is generally liked or disliked.

Shouldn't you take him being disliked as a badge of honor or confirmation for your fringe view? This reaction confuses me.

134 sats \ 10 replies \ @justin_shocknet 19 Nov

Since I actually talk to normal people

That's your first mistake, those are narratives crafted by intel agencies for said normies consumption via mainstream media... the same intel agencies that removed him via operation

What exactly is my fringe view?

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

I don't know what your fringe view is, exactly, but the bit you offered is clearly fringe. Note that I'm not saying that means it's right or wrong.

That's your first mistake,

Maybe, but it was relevant to what the post was asking about.

292 sats \ 8 replies \ @justin_shocknet 19 Nov

Let's posit for a moment that the normie view of geopolitical history is purposefully corrupted, since the largest information apparatus in the world is literally designed to do exactly that:

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)

That means the OP is essentially asking, why don't more people believe the lies perpetuated by the mockingbird media? Asked another way, why do people still believe the truth if the truth is not the (perceived) social consensus?

It's the same as asking, why aren't there more shitcoiners and less Bitcoiners?

There's a massive media apparatus to scam people with shitcoins and FUD Bitcoin, and most "crypto" holders own non-Bitcoin tokens... does that make Bitcoin maxis "fringe"?

I reject use of the word fringe btw, it's intentionally marginalizing/derogatory language employed by these disinfo operatives.

Nixon’s Plan to Threaten the CIA on JFK’s Assassination

Why does the normie media still feel the need to publish these limited hangouts if Nixon is so universally disliked? Why, half a century later, are they trying to win over the "Fringe", or are they?

You're right, though, it's still not enough.

Clearly you think my "fringe" view is wrong, so I'd like to see you introspect on your arrival at these cold and substance-less takes:

"clearly despising many Americans, and just generally being a Dick"

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

Again, I don't know what your view is exactly or what the evidence for it is, so no I don't think it's false.

I think Nixon sucked for the first two reasons I stated. The latter two are additional reasons why people don't like him.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the contents of the Nixon tapes. I know there's a bunch of suggestive stuff in there, but I'm not that well acquainted with it.

32 sats \ 6 replies \ @justin_shocknet 19 Nov

You do know he got us OUT of Vietnam and the Bretton Woods system, right?

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26 sats \ 11 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 19 Nov

Couldn't you say that all presidents should be reviled because of their actions vis-a-vis being leader of a corporate state? That would mean that they are the chief of thieves, murderers and liars. Perhaps singling Nixon out for special notice is a mistake. After all, Johnson did his worst to us and lined his pockets well. Ford was a [DS] plant and Jimmy Carter was well-intentioned but windless at sea when try to do anything.

20 sats \ 10 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

I think it's very fair to argue that they should generally be more reviled than they are. Nixon was not unique and probably not even as bad as his predecessor.

I don't think it's impossible for a president to do good, despite being at the head of a criminal organization. They would just have to be dedicated to minimizing the harms done by their executive branch.

28 sats \ 6 replies \ @jgbtc 19 Nov

A nice reference sheet with a list of each president and the top 5 worst things they did in office would be nice to have.

26 sats \ 3 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 19 Nov

I think you would come up with problems of interpretation on what the five bad things were. Everybody has a different outlook on which are the worst.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

Mine would likely be very similar for each president: unjust wars, unjust prosecutions, unjust taxation, authoritarian economic meddling, debasing the money supply.

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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

I haven't read these articles, but this series might be a good place to start such a summary.

https://www.libertarianism.org/everything-wrong-presidents

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @bren 19 Nov

Thanks for sharing. It must be a hard job.

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22 sats \ 2 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 19 Nov

When can they do good? Even Biden had his chance to do good and look where that has gotten us. I think the point is that the state has slipped the chains of the constitution! The state has done it through all three branches of government. SCOTUS has been the worst of the bunch, IMO.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 19 Nov

I meant it hypothetically.

Let's say Ron Paul had won one of his races and he set about doing what we expected him to do. The state would still be harming people everyday of the Paul administration, but since his efforts would all be directed at minimizing those harms, we could say he did good as president.

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 19 Nov

Yeah, but he never got the chance due to McCain skulduggery. I saw, with my own eyes, what they did at conventions!

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Imyourfed 19 Nov

I'm not a citizen of USA, but when I started using social media as well as reading world news on internet I saw that people really hate him.