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704 sats \ 17 comments \ @kepford 18h Politics_And_Law
Sometimes I forget that there are people that actually fall for corporate press propaganda.
Heard it said recently that the deep state is a conspiracy theory.
That is so stupid I almost don't know how to respond. That's like there are never politics in the office or at your company. The very idea that career bureaucrats and people in 3 letter agencies would not push back against politicians is absurd on its face. Its beyond naive.
Often I find that people have their heads in the sand. They cover their ears because they do not want to accept that the world is more complex and dark that they were told in their government school.
I recommend everyone watch the BBC show "Yes Minister!". Its one of the best examples of how the establishment in a government work against the politicians. It also doesn't paint the politicians in a good light. But the biggest reason to watch this show is that is so funny.
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91 sats \ 6 replies \ @SimpleStacker 17h
I do have to say, though, that some of my right wing friends need a lot more discernment when it comes to what "conspiracy theories" to embrace.
I've heard them latch on too many times to outright false claims and things that just sound consistent with their worldview, with little to no skepticism at all. It makes other people then dismiss the claims they make that are actually true. (Boy who cried wolf syndrome.)
I share their overall sentiment on most things, but they undermine their own credibility, unfortunately.
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 1h
The right wingers have really harmed their cause by going to far with the deep state stuff. I don't think its as sexy as they paint it. Its far more insidious but not as cloak and dagger.
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55 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford OP 17h
I know what you mean. Confirmation bias is real. Critical thinking isn't as easy as picking a new information tit to suckle. I've seen it with right wingers and Covid where they don't trust the feds or the corporate pharma block but they they DO trust some dude on TikTok. Real skepticism isn't political or emotional.
If you don't believe any conspiracy theories you are probably delusional. If you believe every one you hear you are probably delusional. If you only believe those that paint those you disagree with in a bad light you are really delusional.
I would add that plenty on SN fall into this trap of seeing a boogie man behind every bush. You could be write in any case but we need to understand and be comfortable with not knowing. Everything can't be proven. That's OK.
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70 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 17h
I have the opposite reaction, quite often. When a story so closely conforms to my expectations, I think "No way that's what happened. It's too perfect." Oftentimes, though, that is what happened.
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40 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford OP 17h
That's interesting. I wonder why?
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49 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 17h
I believe reality to be messy and confusing and weird. So, when it's neat and tidy and exactly as I'd imagine it, I expect something to be missing from the story.
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32 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17h
Makes sense.
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47 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17h
Why didn't I post this in the conspiracy territory? Because I'm dumb
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36 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford OP 17h
I think what has happened in culture is that the most ridiculous blown out version of everything gets the most attention instead of the logical and obviously reasonable version. This ridiculous version is easy to ignore and knock down. This happens over and over again.
The truth is often boring. Most "conspiracy theories" that I have found to be true have versions that sound ridiculous but it is all in the way it is presented. This is true of the deep state theories as well.
If you want to understand the world around you, you need to be comfortable with not knowing a lot of things for sure. But most of all you need to understand incentives, human nature, and logic. That clears up most conspiracy theories.
In general never only take the opposition's story if you want to understand. Listen to what people that believe a theory actually say in their own words. This is true in researching anything including religion. Humans love to straw man those they disagree with. You have to avoid that if you want to have a clear picture.
But, many just don't care and that's cool. There is little you can do about these evil people in the world. Best to build a strong body, family, and community. But in order to do that it helps to teach those around you how to think critically. Especially your family.
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62 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 17h
One thing you have to ask yourself is "How would someone who thinks they're the good guy have done this?" It often makes the story more boring, but it also makes it more likely.
Most villains aren't mustache twirling psychopaths. They're people with power who think they're right.
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40 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17h
Exactly. I have explained it this way to my blue pilled friends.
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72 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 16h
where are all the "there is no deep state" folks?
I know you are out there, at least one in Germany
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 16h
They are all around you.
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78 sats \ 0 replies \ @7e6e393a56 16h
The corporate press is all financed by large conglomerates who give the directive on how to guide the news to manipulate less attentive public opinion. Journalism is not over, for now, because of independent journalists who still fight bravely, although they are few. To deny the Deep State is to be very uninformed, (using a more polite term), as there are countless reports throughout history of forces acting in the intricacies of politics.
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54 sats \ 0 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 17h
Man, that show was so good. Need to revisit it soon.
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13 sats \ 1 reply \ @mod 9h freebie
🚩 This post might be more relevant and engaging in the ~conspiracy territory.
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66 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 4h
OP already acknowledged this
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