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Boss: How come you're not working? Worker: There's nothing to do. Boss: Well, you're supposed to pretend like you're working. Worker: Hey, I got a better idea. Why don't you pretend like I'm working? You get paid more than me.
Bill Hicks comedy routine
I thought this book might be relevant for the current mass firings going on with the US government. Some of the jobs being exposed are quite similar to real people in the book who wrote in to describe their situation. A lot of these stories are quite amusing. Some had nothing to do all day, some were trapped into not revealing the pointlessness of their work as it would negatively affect the manager or boss. Office politics, box tickers, writing reports that are thrown out, dressing up investigations with lots of jargon, hiring people who COULDN'T do the job etc.
Graeber does a good job exploring a lot of the fundamental issues of why we might choose our job or career. He argues that most people want to find some sort of meaning in their work. Meaningless jobs often lead to depression and despair. I know I've found this to be pretty spot on. Most of the work I enjoyed the most were jobs that I got my hands dirty and could see that I had made or created something.
We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everyone has to be employed at some sort of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist.
Buckminster Fuller
I remember being in my last bullshit job where we were doing monotonous work replacing the glue (PSA) that binds 2 parts of the Iphone together. For a while I was using the time to listen to Bitcoin podcasts to learn a few things while I worked. After some time the management enforced the no listening rule. Their reasoning was that other people doing different jobs couldn't listen to music, so it wouldn't be fair to everyone else. I didn't stay long.
I believe that this instinct to perpetuate useless work is, at bottom, simply fear of the mob. The mob (the thought runs) are such low animals that they would be dangerous if they had leisure; it is safer to keep them too busy to think.
George Orwell, Down and Out in Paris and London
This is one thing I'm starting to fear heading into a hyperbitcoinized world where only those providing value are the ones working. It's hard to know exactly how this will play out (currency or currencies). Having a mass unemployable mob with no job and a lot of time on their hands could be dangerous.
One thing I was a little disappointed in Graebers' final chapter was that he thinks UBI is a possible solution to less BS work and a more harmonious society. I thought he had examined pretty thoroughly the field up until this point. He does point out that money and taxes are not as they are made out to be. What I think he misses about UBI is that some things are in fact scarce like the cobalt in our phones or property in a particular area. Giving everyone an equal amount of money might get rid of a lot of BS jobs, but it would likely lead to some kind of communist second class.
I think it's worth a read if you have ever had or are currently working a BS job.
I think he's right about there being lots of meaningless jobs, but I don't think he diagnoses the problem correctly.
The existence of meaningless work isn't because of fear of the mob... it's the incentive misalignment that comes with public spending.
And you're right: UBI is a bad solution. It sounds good at first until you think a few steps deeper into what'll happen if you give UBI.
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105 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 20 Mar
I just saw Elon Musk proclaim that in ten years we won't need jobs and it won't be a problem to have what we need (with the caveat that fulfilment will be a problem.)
And I just came back from my bullshit job and well. After not working over the last year or more, a bullshit job is better than not having one (at least for myself).
Do they owe us a living? Of course they do, of course they do. Owe us a living? Of course they do, of course they do. Owe us a living? Of course they fucking do.
Crass
I haven't read it but I like the quotes you used and I imagine that the book is making a good point. In saying that my job is complete BS, I work with a bunch of interesting people that are qualified and experienced in other fields suck as IT, journalism, etc. The fulfillment part is interesting. Purpose, or what not.
Some of these politicians today look like the most insipid bunch of humans I have ever encountered (I'm from the greater European area) and this leads me to think that if you are not making the world a better place, it's a bullshit job.
BTW. UBI sounds just horrible.
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AH, I like this book. Plenty Marxist/capitalist-oppressive shit that ticked me off about it but I really think he's on to something
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Bitcoin has nothing to do with people not having jobs in the future. AI has. Only wars can dispose of useless people, and that is exactly what politicians are planning for.
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You don't think that the fiat system works by keeping everyone busy doing BS jobs and drowning in debt?
If someone is not producing something valuable they don't get the sats. They might band together and try to take it.
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This is not about fiat vs bitcoin. Humanity's technological evolution brought efficiency gains making the majority of the population redundant. Banding together to take what others have is exactly that - wars.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mf 21 Mar
This idea of redundant population is very weird. Someone is only redundant if mentally incapacitated by indoctrination. This is akin to thinking we are at the peak of technology, which is and never will be true IMO. There will always be more thinking and creating to be done.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Wumbo 11h
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