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Hey it's Paul from Primal. I'm in charge of growth & marketing. AMA!

4235 sats \ 84 comments \ @Paulinthejungle 19h AMA

How does one scale Nostr. This is the question I go to bed thinking about. Would love to hear how you'd do my job!

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100 sats \ 12 replies \ @grayruby 19h

Great. We are asking ourselves the same questions about growing SN.

What is the best idea you have come up with so far?

214 sats \ 11 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 19h

Getting newbies in to Nostr that are ideallogically aligned has been tougher than I would've thought. So the plan is to realllly lean into the people who are bootstrapping the network so far, which are Bitcoiners! We have some plans up our sleeves, but leaning into bitcoiners is what we will do. Glad that they happen to be some of the smartest, most interesting people around imho. You have any great plans for SN? My first time here.

118 sats \ 1 reply \ @crenshaw 14h

Marketing to bitcoiners is a great way to quickly gain a small user base and then hit a brick ceiling.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 11h

Great what are your ideas?

99 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 19h

A few of us have been puttering around with a community driven marketing effort.

My ideas are:

"you should really be on SN" targeted at bitcoiners or content creators that have never used the site who the value for value model likely appeals to.
"Have another look at SN" for those that tried SN in the past but when it was smaller, or had less diverse subject matter being discussed etc.

Currently SN seems to be having the same problem you refer to about converting folks that seem like low hanging fruit so I think more targeted efforts may be required. But I am just doing this for fun to help out. I used to own my own business so I have familiarity with sales and marketing but it was a service business in meat space not really anything online (though we did have a website and do some online marketing). I am certainly no expert on growth in the digital realm.

200 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 18h

Primal is great by the way.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @denlillaapan 19h

Nah, it's dead; we're having a vocal fight about it

#948515

152 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 18h

if SN is dead, you must be necrophile 👀

33 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 18h

This is turning dark.

76 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 18h

yeah, maybe not the best thread to argue with @denlillaapan about this again haha

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31 sats \ 0 replies \ @NovaRift 18h

Said it! Someone finally said it!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 18h

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 18h

Totally

110 sats \ 1 reply \ @benthecarman 11h

Why do you think nostr hasn't taken off

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 7h

https://bsky.social/about/join heard they have jpegs too

1072 sats \ 5 replies \ @NovaRift 18h

Please don't get mad at me. I tried Primal a lot of times but went back to Amethyst because it feels faster and less buggy. Is it just me or does Primal have this problem? Anyway, Jack Dorsey on Nostr mentioned that Nostr is really buggy, and clients aren't to be blamed. Maybe it's just my perception, but I prefer Amethyst now. I'll be happy to switch in the future though. I'm still finding a better client!

110 sats \ 4 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

I'm so mad I just zapped you 1000 sats

I personally use multiple apps. Check back on Primal every once in a while. It's only going to get better.

I also know a few people who prefer amethyst as their daily driver. This is the beauty of Nostr! No one way to view the content and npubs can decide.

36 sats \ 1 reply \ @NovaRift 18h

I really appreciate your positivity! You just gained a permanent user. I personally only prefer FOSS programs, and while they can be buggy and annoying sometimes, I still support them. Why? Because there are cool people working behind the scenes to change the world. I trust the people behind. Your positivity is exactly what I need! I'll provide feedback on any bugs. I'm going to switch to Primal now. Thanks! And thanks for the Sats as well!

15 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

Awesome, thanks for the support! Yes keep bug reports flowing please :)

5 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 17h

Oh, if that's the formula imma set out to make you very, very mad!

carnivore is crap, vedge for life; surfing is stupid, and stay out of the sun — it's dangerous!

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @NovaRift 17h

You probably made him laugh!

52 sats \ 3 replies \ @0655ea03bc 18h freebie

Do you see Costa Rica/Uvita as a viable place to live medium/long-term. Would you consider raising kids there?

92 sats \ 2 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

yes and yes. I think this is a great place to raise kids. Such great nature. Access to local food. A great wave. And it's trending upwards in terms of development. THis place is extremely abundant and wouldn't be hard to survive in case of emergency situations..

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @aljaz 7h

Dont you think costa rica is incredibly overpriced? It feels like a robbery on every corner. Nature is amazing tho.

Outside of local fruit the food is also rather unexceptional in my opinion

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 17h

Wonderful to hear. I'll hyu in a few months.

How's the primal house going? :)

107 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 19h

Oh wow, what a nice surprise to see you here today!

I shared my thoughts about how scaling Nostr will affect decentralization yesterday:

There was also some discussion about this in #950309.

Are you considering how scaling Nostr might affect decentralization?

147 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

Just read. Great take. Followed.

Nostr will be stress tested over and over again. We'll learn more as we go on. Will be fun to watch and be a part of.

105 sats \ 2 replies \ @birdeye21 18h

What's an obvious Nostr use case that you haven't seen anywhere yet?

179 sats \ 1 reply \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

Communities/chat apps. They exist, but haven't found one that feels useable yet..

137 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 18h

I agree, I tried 0xchat and I didn't receive some messages in time which was a pretty bad experience ...

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 14h

What excites you most about the next year and why?

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Paulinthejungle OP 13h

the number one thing isn't public news yet. And for Primal related, it is just all the features we have cooking.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 12h

Sweet, can’t wait!

100 sats \ 3 replies \ @BlokchainB 14h

Wen NWC for iOS app?

127 sats \ 2 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 13h

we don't want to mess with apple.. yakihonne got away with it though..

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 13h

The lack of zapping takes away from the fun that I get when using Damus. Even with its bugs and all its issues it is still better than X thus why I am a 2024 legend!

121 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 13h

thanks for the support :)

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nout 17h

How much insight do you have into how does Primal work/collaborates with podcasters? What is your collaboration model?

77 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 16h

We haven't done much, but may start leaning into podcasters. stay tuned.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nout 17h

How are you measuring growth and what campaign/approach has worked the best so far to improve that number?

77 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 16h

We have daily, weekly, and montly active user numbers. Our biggest days were not from anything we have produced internally. They're from days like the tiktok ban, ian carrol coming over, and the telegram ceo being arrested.

I'm sure there will be more reminders of why we need nostr in the near future.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Car 17h

I keep hearing from people who are close to your team at Primal tell me your wallet is just Strike?

Then when I ask why that matters they say it’s KYC/AML with my email?

Is any of this true?

I always thought it was some sort of eCash wallet.

Also when adding edit button and orbit?

200 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 15h

4. Hosted Wallet Service

[...]

4.2 Primal Orange Check. Bitcoin custody, send, and receive operations are performed by Primal's affiliate Zap Solutions, Inc. ("Strike"). By using our Hosted Wallet Service, you agree to be bound by this Agreement, as well as Strike's Terms of Service, as defined at https://strike.me/legal/tos/. Primal reserves the right to change the Wallet Third Party Service provider without prior notice, or to bring some or all of these services in-house. All such changes will be reflected in an update to this Agreement, as further described in Section 9 (Changes to Agreement or Services).

-- https://primal.net/terms

4. Sharing Your Information

[...]

Primal’s Hosted Wallet Service is offered in partnership with our affiliate Zap Solutions, Inc. ("Strike"). In order to provide a legally compliant service, we are required to share your information related to the Hosted Wallet Service with Strike.

-- https://primal.net/privacy

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 14h

might delete my personal acct didn’t know it was to this degree, should have multiple options for wallets

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 13h

an ecash wallet would be cool in there. And yes, strike powers our wallet. Edit/delete button coming eventually.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 18h

How did you get into nostr?

Is nostr how you discovered bitcoin?

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

I'm a class of 17 bitcoiner and have been paying attention to the social media drama with Dorsey & Twitter. Hopped on Nostr shortly after the "jackening" and was living in Costa Rica during the 1st conference so I attended. Also used the Nostrasia conference as an excuse to travel to Japan with my wife and got to know many people involved in the space. I have always loved the idea of Nostr being the "everything app" built on an open protocol. And the idea of "fixing" social media sounds like an epic task. Happy to be putting my time towards this now.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Coinsreporter 18h

What are some of the books you'd recommend to a bitcoiner?

64 sats \ 1 reply \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

Sovereign individual The way of the superior man The prophet and of course the bitcoin standard

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 17h

Way of the superior man annoyed the fuck out of me the first time. Second time, 6-7 year later, still not sold.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @benwehrman 19h

What's an unpopular opinion you have about Nostr and the future of the protocol?

256 sats \ 3 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 19h

Simply put, that it can't/won't scale. I think Primal is in a great position to bring the masses to Nostr. BUT it may be another app. Maybe one that doesn't exist yet. Who knows.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 18h

Simply put, that it can't/won't scale.

Why do you think that?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

That's just the unpopular opinions I hear. I don't think that at all. Nostr is an idea who's time has come.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DollarBill 17h

I am just reading through this interesting conversation and I agree that there is a lack of adoption for Nostr, but it is not the apps because there are good ones and less good ones as with all products. The problem is as with a lot of new things people are scared to change. Everybody is stuck into their old banking systems, communication systems and are so used to it that they don’t look at other new options. I often talk to people about crypto, blockchain, web3, etc etc. And try to explain it to them but during the conversation you can already see that they will listen without taken anything in because their sceptical side takes over without them even given it a chance. That is the real problem getting people onboard.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @benwehrman 19h

What's your favorite video project you've created for Primal and why?

304 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 19h

Probably the most recent video we made spending bitcoin at 21 different vendors using 21 different bitcoin lightning wallets in 1 day.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 19h

Fuuuck, dope to see you here sir!

Love the Costa Rica paying-for-things vids

34 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 19h

Great to hear! It's actually happening down here and it's fun to show it.

210 sats \ 1 reply \ @joseph_at_nostr_fan 17h

Happy Primal customer here, just one request: make it easy for people to share their Nostr user everywhere, on their blog, on their X feed, on LinkedIn etc. This is usually called the follow button, here is the one from X:

https://developer.x.com/en/docs/x-for-websites/follow-button/overview

There is even a UX that lets people customize the button and have it ready to go here: https://publish.twitter.com/#

This way people hear for the first time about both Nostr and Primal, and a few will actually follow us.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 16h

This is useful. Thanks for this and your support!

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nzowashua 16h

Make sure you use high performance Data base such as SQlite or specialized event story

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 18h

Do you think you'll put down root in Costa Rica? If not, where do you imagine you'll put down roots?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

This is as rooted as i've ever been. I'm still in the stack and rent phase of my life.

However, I am rooted here as I have a ton of friends and have been coming back for more than 3 years.

Things could change when I start a family. But i'll only be in places where I can surf :)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @metadavid 1h

No question, just good to see you here! :)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kilianbuhn 7h

when there is one person in charge of "growth" you already know the startup is shit. Translated that means not everyone is laserfocused on growth

just like when an old corporation has somebody in charge of "digitization" 🤣 that just means not everybody is working on a computer

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @3a42879d5f 9h

I like the idea of Nostr but I can't get into it because every web client I have tried has terrible performance. They're either turbo bloated JS bohemoths, or the network usage is so great that having the tab open brings down every connected device on my home network. Yes I've tried Primal recently, and it is one of the worst.

I get that there are some nice mobile clients but that's not for me. I hate touchscreen smartphones with a passion; it's gotta be a web app or TUI or I won't use it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Thisdaystacker 12h

@Paulinthejungle please how does one get more referrals to sign up on stacker news ?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @raw_avocado 13h

Wen discovery algorithm?

I am so surprise this is not tackled on nostr, I mean with no discovery algo it's like using the internet without google.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 13h

we're scheming. and that's all i'll say :)

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @yukieliot 15h freebie

hi i can help, dm me

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @denlillaapan 17h

What's the probability that Nostr (and separately, Primal) fails?

ie the dream dies, convos and info travel on centralized platforms, nobody cares about zapping and censorship-res info? Basically, own nothing and be happy

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Paulinthejungle OP 13h

i'm not going anywhere. are you?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 8h

Um, probs not

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @unschooled 18h

Nostr reads has been an exciting development but still seems to suffer in terms of discoverability. How is Primal learning from and addressing the challenge?

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

We think reads are an excellent tool to scale Nostr. We'll make it easier for people to publish and discover articles. Stay tuned. We're working on it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsjrsa 18h freebie

Keep it simple. I actually started diving deeper into nostr after switching to Primal as the wallet integration was seamless.

Simplicity triggers something in us humans as we tend to over-complicate things. Elegant design cuts through that. It’s what draws people in.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 18h

Who's the smartest person you've ever met?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

probably Jack Kruse

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 18h

According to you what is the biggest effort need to be repeated over and over to see a rapid adoption of Bitcoin?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 18h

Number go up will always be the best "marketing" but on a local level, accepting/demanding bitcoin for your services. Spending bitcoin whenever a vendor accepts it

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @benwehrman 19h

How many coconuts have you slurped down in your life (need an exact number)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Paulinthejungle OP 19h

4069