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I actually use seedsigner with dice roll to create the keys. This allows me to create a QR card for my keys. After that, I can load the keys into my CCMK4. This allows me to add cool things like passphrase and bip85 derivation paths.
I like seedsigner b/c it creates a seed not connected to any hardware device. This allows for great ease of recovery in my opinion It also makes it very easy to help orange pill new people and give them their seed to secure.