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Thus, it won't be very helpful in convincing them that they're wrong.
They are religious fanatics, there is no convincing them of anything contrary to their beliefs. It is the same situation with any other religious cult.
but my point is only that they wouldn't actually deny the premises of the individual being the source of action.
They often say nothing is done without the collective behind it. For instance, in regard to family and raising children it is: It takes a village. They never admit that the individual can do without the help of everyone else. in thier case, the individual is never the source of the idea or finished product, only the collective is.