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This article explains some of the story of how Google came to its current state of prioritizing Reddit results (and also a good bit about how Reddit the company is faring these days -- less about how Reddit the community is doing).
The World Wide Web from which Reddit grew, and for which Huffman [co-founder and now-CEO of Reddit] expresses so much reverence, has been going through something akin to ecological collapse after being poisoned, then abandoned, by advertisers that have little use for independent websites anymore.
I'm not sure I buy the "advertisers destroyed the internet" story. At least, there are a number of ways of telling it. This article sticks with the traditional line:
Google’s response to the gradual breakdown of the digital commons has been to send more and more people to Reddit, where relevant results are at least probably written by human beings, lavishing the site with traffic but binding the companies’ fates together.
Supposedly, this was in response to users of Search appending "reddit" to many of their searches because otherwise because SEO had gotten so gamed. However, there was also a deal: in Feb 2024, Google got access to Reddit's data API for AI training purposes and Reddit got boosted in Google's results.
Being one of the last islands of humanity on a dying web may make you more appealing to, well, humans. But it also makes you even more valuable to the companies doing the killing.
The authors seem to have had a much better experience on Reddit than I ever had. I wonder at times if the problem we are talking about here is not what people are posting on the internet and how, but what people use to discover things on the internet and how those discovery tools work.
Like Wikipedia, Reddit works only if people feel like posting there and if moderators feel like volunteering hours a week — or a day — to keep things clean, civil, or at least functional.
It's a package deal, though, and part of the problem with Reddit is that volunteer mods are not as accountable as employees. Whatever the case, Reddit certainly has been posting some impressive numbers.
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I'm not sure I buy the "advertisers destroyed the internet" story.
I don't think it did either. If anything, mainstream internet adoption created some awesome opportunities for getting away with bad behavior. Remember that Google's mission used to be to "not be evil"? That clearly went out of the window; I thought that we've discussed that earlier this year somewhere on SN but I can't seem to find it.
The authors seem to have had a much better experience on Reddit than I ever had.
It really depends on the communities and when, because these rise and fall. For example, to me r/bitcoin was okay until the whole Bitcoin Unlimited drama; I unsubscribed at some point after that because the toxicity was becoming annoying. It was cool that you could just ask nullc or jgarzik something though, and it looks like you can still do that there today. I've left Reddit fully right before the WSB hype though, it didn't feel like "home" anymore. Whenever I take the trouble of opening tor browser to read reddit, I still feel it's no longer the cool place it used to be; more degenerate, less intelligent, though sometimes funny.
what people use to discover things on the internet and how those discovery tools work.
That's part of it, but it takes more than just something new, it takes something better. And alternatives can also be better because of enshittification of the last best platform, which I kind of feel happened to Reddit.
For me personally, SN replaces Reddit, because it's a better community-home for me than Reddit has been; there's many nice people here. I'm not sure if this is 100% thanks to the model, perhaps it's also that founder attitude (thx 4 awesome, @k00b) attracts likeminded people and you can feel that in the vibe here. However, that too may change over time, but for now, it's great.
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The based people say "go back to reddit"
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I never used reddit much. what did you like about it?
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I used to, but I don't use it anymore. I was referencing 4chan /pol/ users who say "go back to reddit" as a taunt when someone is not being "based" :)
What I liked about is that there are endless subreddits for everything under the sun. And if you wanted to research something specific, people would definitely visit the sub and get some information about it.
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I'm hoping sn will over take Reddit in the future. I haven't actively used Reddit in years
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What do you think stands in the way of sn taking over reddit?
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Google.
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I don't read it a "lot more". I read it now and again, and yes, this is usually because a search engine somewhere has bumped it up to the top. Formerly, as in probably 7-8 years ago, I was reading more stack overflow and tech republic for the kinds of things that now show up on reddit.
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I wonder why stack overflow isn't where you go anymore. I find myself there somewhat frequently, but it's usually to look at an old question with old answers.
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That's partly why. I remember they did some change of ownership or something that caused the content to start sucking.
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Interesting how Reddit became both refuge and resource drain at the same time. Feels like the real issue isn’t just “advertisers killed the web,” but how search and discovery incentives shape what we find, and what survives.
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Would you say most of the sites you visit these days are because of search or because of links from places you already go?
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Mostly links from places I already go. Feels like search is for “known unknowns,” but the stuff I actually end up reading daily comes from communities or newsletters I trust. Search rarely surfaces the weird or thoughtful corners anymore.
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I've described Reddit in the past as essentially Usenet 2.0. And as with Usenet, the experience in different groups varies a ton based a bunch of factors (size, moderation, broadness of the topic). I still find some Reddit groups invaluable (even as the site itself has gotten worse), even as the majority of them feel insufferable.
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I'm very curious who these new users of reddit are, and why they are going there.
I keep telling myself I need to spend more time poking around on reddit, but everytime I do, it's very offputting and I bounce.
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Esse texto me fez pensar bastante. A ideia de que o Google agora joga todo mundo pro Reddit porque é "onde ainda tem humanos falando com humanos" até faz sentido, mas também é meio triste.
A internet, que antes era cheia de blogs, fóruns e sites feitos com paixão, virou basicamente um grande shopping de anúncios e conteúdo genérico feito pra ranquear. E aí o Google, que ajudou a bagunçar isso tudo, tenta "consertar" jogando a gente numa rede social onde o conteúdo ainda parece real... mas que agora também está presa no mesmo jogo corporativo.
É meio irônico: o Reddit virou uma das últimas ilhas da web onde ainda existe conversa de verdade — e justamente por isso está sendo engolido também. Tem acordo com o Google, vende dados pra treinar IA, e agora os resultados do Reddit aparecem em destaque nas buscas.
E no fim, tudo depende de gente comum, que posta, modera e mantém o site funcionando por vontade própria. Mas até quando isso é sustentável?
Talvez o problema nem seja o que a gente posta. Talvez o problema seja quem controla os caminhos por onde a gente descobre as coisas. E essas ferramentas de descoberta, cada vez mais, não estão do nosso lado.
Sinto falta da internet onde a gente descobria coisas por curiosidade — e não porque um algoritmo quis.
stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.