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Ok, @Undisciplined, this guy stays on staff. Excellent fucking column -- my god!
Is it possible to feel the burden of sin in a continent that is all but godless, as Europe is these days? Prostitution barely generates a frisson in Belgium, a land of unionised hookers. Puffing cannabis is legal in Germany, of all places. Gambling via lotteries or mobile apps is uncontentious just about everywhere.
...but it's the account for the Swedish Systembolaget that gets me <3. Quoting at length, bc my god it's fun (and accurate):
to feel the weight of social disapproval, try buying a bottle of wine in Sweden. Since 1955 a state-run monopoly has begrudgingly dispensed alcohol to those who insist on drinking it. The Systembolaget, as it is known, oozes disapproval. Stores are sparse and closed on Sundays. If you find one, forget posters of appealing vineyards as you browse the shelves: the decor is part Albanian government office, part pharmacy. There are no discounts to be had, nor a loyalty programme. Wine is left unchilled lest a customer be tempted to down it on a whim. As they queue to pay, shoppers are made to trudge past a “regret basket” that primly suggests they leave some of their hoard behind. The road to Swedish hell is, apparently, lined with lukewarm bottles of sauvignon blanc. And pricey ones, too. For it is not only Systembolaget’s profits that flow to the state, but the hefty excise duties imposed on what it sells. Whether in restaurants or in shops, booze is eye-wateringly expensive: in Sweden drinking serves both to numb the senses and lighten the wallet.
I made the case to @Shugard the other day that' I'm pretty OK with some sin taxes -- provided I get to choose what the sin is and how hefty the punishment is (negotiable...). Nuff said, meat and whisky won't get any such taxes, smoking taxes stay, obesity and unnecessary noise are in, and -- I dunno -- ugly people get shafted.
Such “sin taxes” allow European politicians to indulge in their two great passions: nannying the public and filling public coffers. Alas the two are in opposition, seeing that pricey sinning makes for fewer sinners.
Europe has a special (and arguably dubious) rationale for taxing the unholy trinity that are booze, cigs and petrol: its publicly funded health-care systems ultimately pick up the tab for citizens’ bad habits, and society at large will pay the cost of adapting to global warming. [...] The downside of sin taxes is that government finances suffer when bad habits get kicked. Smoking and drinking have both declined markedly in recent decades. Whether that is because of high taxes or other factors is up for debate.
...and Charlemagne got this one right; 100% income (and wealth!) taxes on people doing this. FUCKERS
Excellent The Economist read

I've always preferred sin taxes to other taxes. Like you, though, I don't trust politicians to define what the sins are.
I'd be fine with something like this
  • Sin taxes have to be accompanied by reductions in other taxes
  • Whether something counts as a sin has to be affirmed by public referendum
  • Sin taxes replace prohibitions on sinful behavior
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oooooh nice -- yeah, esp the last one! if you're taxing the behavior, legal impediments gotta go.
Also, don't you trust MY judgment?!
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No, I like vegetables and don't want to be subject to your whimsical taxes.
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pussy
edit: I also didn't propose a tax on cow food, did I?!
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You didn't say it here, but I'm suspicious of your intentions.
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hiiii-hi-hiiiiiiiii-hi! (don't tell anyone, but veggies are killing yah!)
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Aren't all taxes sin taxes? Lots of quippy people point out that if sin taxes are used discourage sins, other taxes probably discourage whatever it is on which they are levied. Perhaps we can use this to understand who the states sees as an ideal citizen. As the Lord Jesus said, who among you is without tax?
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No, income taxes are for parasitic revenue. Really don't think anyone goes, "mmm, yes let's tax income so people earn less/work less"
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Income taxes are also the exception to the rule theoretically.
Because people have a time constraint, there's an inherent tradeoff between labor time and leisure time.
Taxes reduce people's budgets, which usually reduces consumption of goods. So, if leisure is a normal good, then income taxes will actually increase hours worked.
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Amen. He also promoted drinking wine. When has that ever become a 'sin' in Europe?
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Incredible how Europe has managed to turn abstaining from sin... into a funding model. The Systembolaget doesn’t sell alcohol — it discourages the crime of the midday glass. And the best part? The more people behave, the less money the state gets. So for the system to work properly, its morality kind of has to fail. A pleasure to read. Hell to live through (especially if you’re craving a cold bottle of wine on a Sunday).
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Better get it on Saturday, then, say my German and Austrian friends who, incredibly, think it's perfectly OK that all stores are closed on a Sunday. Retards, all of them; straight to jail
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I'm not a big fan of sin taxes because sin can often be interpreted different in the eye of the beholder. With that, I think if the collective agrees that gambling is bad, maybe put a slightly higher tax on the winnings to deter the behavior.
Still not a fan, but the people of a society need to determine this in full.
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“regret basket”
wow. this can't be what they actually call it...
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stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.