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can you not imagine a scenario in which you're not owned and ruled? does that give you so much inner peace that you cling to it so desperately? Do you think nothing better can come out of humanity that the current sad state of affairs?
Your position is one of desperation and futility.
How are property rights secure if not via government based rule of law and law enforcement?
You cannot credibly and convincingly answer this because it has never been done on any scale.
You cannot give any example of what you are proposing working in practice because it is simply not workable.
My position is a realistic one based on real world experience, evidence, history and human nature...extending to the nature of life itself.
Complex and wealthy economies rely hugely upon the consistency and rules based enforcement of property rights. This cannot be done via a voluntary 100% 'freedom' arrangement where anyone with greater ability to exert force upon others can seize their property, and inevitably will.
I am all for maximal individual freedom but it cannot exist in isolation and without the presence of good government and property law that is fairly and consistently enforced.
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you haven't replied to my yesterdays question about definition of government for you.
its a structure of governance yes, but at what scale? what are its roles? you're throwing the word government around but there's a lot of governments out there.
theres governments that are fairly laissez faire, and theirs governments that are up your fucking asshole for everything.
your position is lack of imagination and indoctrination into the way things are. going from first principles you don't need anything remotely what resembles todays western government for society to exist
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If you want the agreed and commonly understood definition of government look up a dictionary.
That is the definition I am happy with.
As I have more or less said several times already, governments develop to a large extent in response to the apathy or activity of citizens.
We are all the government- but many, usually most people fail to be active in keeping their governments honest- its easier to bleat and moan and dream about 100% freedom than to deal with reality and fight for what freedom can be achieved realistically considering the apathy and self interested nature of most of humanity.
Without government of some form most people would suffer- this is why if there is ever a lack of government people clamour to construct one.
Most people want to be governed as it is a lot easier than managing your own security, infrastructure and rule of law.
If you don't want government then go somewhere there is little or no government- but you won't because you know it would be at the very least uncomfortable and quite possibly fatal.
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