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223 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker 2h \ parent \ on: Giacomo Zucco on the history of filters in Bitcoin bitcoin
Hmm.
For email, it's clear that spam isn't based on whether the message is valid protocol or whether the sender paid a cost. It's clear that email spam is based on whether the receiver wanted to receive the message or not.
In that sense, I'm not sure if email analogies are very helpful for bitcoin. Bitcoin is a public ledger. The financial transactions may be peer-to-peer, but the data is public, and thus not very much like email.
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Slop responses on SN are closer to the email analogy than to "spam" transactions on Bitcoin.
There is no (meaningful) upper bound to the amount of slop responses that could be posted on SN. There is a block size limit. The primary reason I should care about the number of "spam" transactions in blocks is that they make it more expensive for my transaction to get confirmed.
There is a secondary reason that I might care whether "spam" transactions are in blocks: it is that it makes it more difficult for me to run a node (IBD takes longer, I need more disk space, the compute on blocks gets more intense and older machines might struggle). However, these are all problems I will encounter if Bitcoin blocks are full of monetary transactions. I don't understand why I should be outraged in one case and not in the other. If full blocks is a problem, this is a problem that Bitcoin needs to solve at the consensus level.
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There is no (meaningful) upper bound to the amount of slop responses that could be posted on SN
Sure there is. When SN gets tired of wasting a couple BTC a month on hosting due to slop, and the beloved team proclaims "screw you guys we're going home", that limit was reached. It's just that some things were foreseen early on with Bitcoin, which makes sense for a p2p system, and a limit was built in and later enlarged, and there are limits you can set to upload for example, to deal with this.
Ultimately the non-filter solution that we use on SN (downzap = we spend money to keep it clean-ish and disincentivize spam) is possible on Bitcoin too; it has been the top boost for a while now: #1077925
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