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AI is Unmasking ICE Officers. Can Washington Do Anything About it?www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ai-ummasking-ice-officers-washington-180000957.html

375 sats \ 27 comments \ @Cje95 23h AI

This article highlights an issue that AI exacerbates. Privacy. Given how ICE Agents from the very very beginning have been threatened and doxed (going back to last year before Trump was ever in office). This is a huge security issue.

On top of that the people being targeted by the organization itself isn't just masked agents doing the arresting. Its going after anyone and everyone employed by ICE. From field agents to bureaucrats to janitors they are all targets.

Plus not gonna lie if the government sees people are okay with this then what do you think they will push into law? Its only going to further move the needle in a negative way for privacy and safety. Its giving them (Congress) cover for things like 9/11 did with the Patriot Act.

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104 sats \ 11 replies \ @optimism 22h

AIs don't unmask, people do. That are just the tools people use to go about something.

Is it legal to doxx someone?

111 sats \ 3 replies \ @BlokchainB 21h

Back in the day the phone booked doxxed everyone

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 21h

You had to know their names though to go after someone. Also you could have your name removed from the phonebook if you wanted to.

105 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 21h

Phone books also killed people. That's why we don't have these anymore.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 19h

Not the same thing Much easier to doxx today

111 sats \ 4 replies \ @Cje95 OP 21h

I'm the first one to say a gun doesn't kill anyone a person does but AI’s are an entirely different monster we haven't seen before. In theory they could set up the AI to run off of X posts and completely remove the human from the loop as it would track hashtags and cross reference with scrapped data, make a guess, and post it. That system doesn't need a human and easily allows for an AI to act alone. Its a serious issue in specific cases like this where a whole process can be automated.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @optimism 10h

In theory they could set up [..]

Unless "they" is an AI that acts autonomously, I think my point stands: someone has to code it, deploy it, pay for the servers and/or subscriptions.

However, let's consider for a moment #1090262 and then we know that it's not theoretical. ¹ It's just that the capability has been asymmetrically available to megacorps and govts exclusively due to the compute cost for inference in the past.

That is different now, and it's interesting that those that have been using this to exactly identify people - without their consent or even being informed - are a bit worried by the higher parity in capabilities. Surveillance itself hasn't been exclusively available to governments, but mass surveillance was, and this has now changed, because with the right code, anyone can process massive amounts of data. ²

To come back to this:

Its only going to further move the needle in a negative way for privacy and safety.

I have to agree.

It's an awful thought though that this could turn into an "AI arms race" leading to further increase in violence, while the underlying problem, a constant public exposure of private data for everyone - which is awful in the US, and only a little less awful in the UK/EU - actively impacts real safety of people, day-to-day.

However, the alternative requires taking the long view, and patience, which the 2yr (4yr if lucky) power cycle doesn't really incentivize. Escalation pairs very well with short term goals, so I'm grudgingly waiting for things like this to escalate.

What's the way out? Is it too late?

Hasn't been for years: the first time CBP didn't need my passport but just did everything based on my live mugshot from their lil camera was early 2022, when I flew in for entry at a smaller airport and not MIA (because MIA truly is the suckiest point of entry). ↩
Just last week I ran extensive comparisons and aggregation over a 20M records deep, 240 attributes wide parquet database file within a 500ms execution window on 6yo hardware. With 4 lines of python, 2 dependencies, and 70 lines of SQL. In the late 90s on a highly tuned Oracle db this would take hours on a HPUX or AIX cluster. In the 2000s this would take 10 mins up to half an hour on commodity Linux. In the 2010s this would take up to a minute. Now it's sub-second on aged commodity hardware. And no AI was used in any of this (transformers/diffusion/NLP implementations are slow af anyway and skilled data scientists rarely need it post-ingestion.) I don't run this on people data but on industrial process data, but the nature of the data doesn't really matter anymore... though a moral being would not want their code weaponized for total privacy invasion. ↩

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @carter 8h

I think the question is what is the representation you need to be able to index and lookup facial data. I feel like last time I did a review of the SOTA i didn't find any easy open source implementations but this actually looks promising https://github.com/serengil/deepface

I have this weird idea where everyone seems ok with the government and corporations having these capabilities so we should implement stuff to make public indexes of faces so EVERYONE has the capability then people might care. Like if i setup my own flock cameras and started publishing licence plate data i feel like there may be some objections. We should just make an open source flock that people can put on their own land that makes all the data public (or however the person wants) https://github.com/openalpr/openalpr

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 8h

Maybe to create awareness, but it will exacerbate privacy and safety issues. The real issue is the license plate itself, and... the face. Big brother is being accompanied by many little brothers.

The time for an ohmni suit with infrared lights has arrived.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 8h

I agree creating a free for all is the wrong approach. It will only give big brother more reasons why “they have to do this for public safety”

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 19h

It depends

It is illegal to dox ice agents or law enforcement in general

I am waiting for an ice agent to be doxed and killed at home and then Trump can unleash the dragons and Dobermans and pit bulls. Burn them all

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 8h

Sadly its going to happen… some lunatic is going to break in or start some confrontation on an ICE agents property and its going to end badly.

60 sats \ 8 replies \ @SwapMarket 21h

If they are proud of their work they should not wear masks. Lawful and just are not synonyms.

11 sats \ 4 replies \ @Cje95 OP 21h

You obviously haven't read the statistics about these people and their families are being doxxed and being attacked off duty. That's why they started wearing the masks.

Lawful and just here go hand in hand of people doing their job and doing exactly what the American people voted for. Trump won the popular vote and if cities want to not work with ICE then they should and likely will lose Federal Funding.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SwapMarket 11h

Let's wait what you will say when masked men come after you and your family. History says they will eventually. No exceptions. Due process for all or none.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 8h

Imma just throw this out here… you think FDR was a good president and/or you think America, the Republican Party, and Trump are fascists don't you?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 19h

There are extra legal means for dealing with doxxing. Find them apprehend and detain them and send them to Mossad

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 8h

This just made me think of the show Beyond Scared Straight and I wish that actually worked since most of the time this is just kids doxxing.

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 19h

I hope you’re kidding

If you are proud of your comment you should provide your personal details

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 8h

110% this destroys every ones privacy so if they are all for it give me your picture full name and address!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 18h

Pride is irrelevant. They have a job to perform. And they need to protect themselves and their families.

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @Scoresby 21h

I'm curious what you see as a solution to this.

11 sats \ 2 replies \ @Cje95 OP 21h

The most basic thing is criminalizing and acting upon doxxing. Its to rampant and the punishments are not punishments. You throw bricks at ICE vehicles jail. You actually protect these officers who keep getting attacked. If you create a safe environment for them both on duty and off then sure stop the masks but until they are safe for not just doing their job but upholding the law then this type of stuff shouldn't be okay.

Since we are letting this be okay what do you think Homeland, CIA, FBI, etc are doing? This gives them so much more wiggle room and leeway and its why the Dems that have been pushing ICE to stop masks are against this vigilante type justice.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 19h

I believe it’s illegal to dox law enforcement including ice

Fight back with the same technology. Doxx the transgender lunatic antifa terrorists.

There is always the nuclear option

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 OP 8h

Oooooof fire with fire approach! That would be something…. The Left would go nuts

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 19h

Firearms and reciprocity

Doxx the doxer then shoot him or her

That will deter doxxing and swatting

Fight fire with fire

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @aljaz 14h

There is another lesson in this - technology is a great deterrent to make coercion much more costlier. Sure in this case you might sympathise with the agents being hurt, but the root causes of this are far removed.

Governments apply bad policies, they enforce complete doxing on every corner with kyc, companies thrive on harvesting all the data, we have created the society which enables this and created the bad policies that need enforcing this. Its a bell that cant be unrung. The tech and data are out there, what needs to change is the society.

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