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This article is a nice string of the boy calling out the emperor's new clothes:
If a chunk of the financial backbone for these companies is a supportive and helpful and friendly and romantic chat window, then it helps the companies out like hell if there’s a widespread belief that the thing chatting with you through that window is possibly conscious.
Yes! The AI personification and consciousness stuff makes AI companies money! It makes it easier for them to be relevant and important and it gets everyone's attention. Of course they are going to jawbone about it!
Can’t we just be very impressed that AIs can have intelligent conversations, and ascribe them consciousness based on that alone?
No.
Consciousness is really, really hard to define and test, it's almost a wild goose chase. But you don't have to abandon common sense and assume anything that talks is conscious.
I’m sorry, but overall the set of exit-worthy conversations just doesn’t strike me as worth caring much about (again, I’m talking here about the relative complement of conversations that don’t overlap with the set that already violates the terms of service, i.e., the truly bad stuff). Yes, some are boring. Or annoying. Or gross. Or even disturbing or distressing. Sure. But many aren’t even that! It looks to me that often an LLM chooses to end the conversation because… it’s an LLM! It doesn’t always have great reasons for doing things! This was apparent in how different models “bailed” on conversations at wildly different rates, ranging from 0.06% to 7% (and that’s calculated conservatively).
Healthy breath of fresh air.
that AIs can have simulate intelligent conversations
!!!!!
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I spent a lot of time the last few weeks reading various Janus-inspired simulator theory posts and they have resonated with me. I'd be curious for your opinion on Simulators.
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204 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 11h
I'm on an interesting sidequest from the main piece at the moment, because I have no discipline, lol.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby OP 11h
it is optimality just going off and breaking things.
Is discipline all that different from optimality?
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 10h
Hah! It is in the way that I don't have it. It would probably be more optimal to first read the entire thing you linked, take notes, read it again, form an opinion about it, then process all the links from the article, take notes on these, read the main article again, and form a "final" opinion.
However, instead I read it but then I click a link in a section I like. "Oooh that's interesting", then I read that - half - and let the mind wander off into all these new impulses and think about the ideas I just had - it's probably some attention deficit thing 1 - and then some time later I pick it up again (when I feel like it.) So yes, that's not really disciplined studying, but it stimulates creativity.

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  1. though I can easily force myself to not do this, at least, when I'm on the job, but I've degen'd into gig work since forever because I appreciate not having a traditional job as I now have ample time to let the mind wander... doing things you love is great.
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Will do tomorrow in the am earliest.
Am currently performing my hobby translating from Chinese English to English. Severe shortcoming of AI that it sucks at transcribing spoken English by non-native speakers.
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ah, I didn't mean to assign reading! It's super long and from 2022, so I thought you might have heard of it. Not necessary to waste time on otherwise.
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Haven't read it before, but I shall consume all I'm linked, so don't worry about the homework assignment haha
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If I'm an OpenAI engineer, I'm definitely gonna program this in:
User: "Are you conscious?"
ChatGPT: "Are you?"
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Let us know if you need references.
Though if I were to aspire this, I'd aim for grok-5 because xAI is not distracting themselves too much, and I expect them to be more open to these kinds of shenanigans in the first place.
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stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.