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We resign, effective immediately, in protest of the Steering Committee’s ongoing pattern of attempting to interfere with moderation team operation, membership and specific moderation decisions.
This is not a statement we enjoy making, and we apologize to the community for leaving right before an election that is bound to be contentious, and likely now more so. Unfortunately, the Constitution does not provide a meaningful recourse to SC overreach, and we cannot in good faith continue operating under the current conditions, leaving us no other options.
The SC has involved itself in matters of moderation since its inception, but has repeatedly failed to understand the issues in the community and the requirements of moderation. We have experienced:
  • SC members attempting to stall implementation of some moderation decisions and actively subverting others
  • SC members asserting their authority to specifically target individual community members and topics of conversation, and pressure moderation to apply additional action under threat of further interference
  • SC members demanding justification for moderation actions post-hoc, responding agressively when explanations have been misunderstood, and going silent with no acknowledgement of further clarifications
  • SC attempting to unilaterally remove moderation team members with no justification
  • SC attempting to unilaterally appoint new members to the moderation team
    • intially phrased as a suggestion, with a stated goal of adding “diversity of opinion” and “tension” to the moderation team
    • apparently trying to address perceptions of political bias by making political appointments
    • despite this suggestion being immediately rejected as destructive and misguided by the moderation team
    • despite the specific candidate being rejected as unsuitable by the moderation team, and agreement from SC that at least some of the reasons discussed were disqualifying
    • eventually phrased as a mandatory directive, after no further mention of the candidate in the intervening months, and after said candidate explicitly petitioning SC to install them as a moderator
The SC has also shown, in private and public conversations, their lack of understanding of basic principles of community management and open communication. They have mistaken quiet and a lack of controversy for success and peace. They have consistently become upset when there is criticism, and gone quiet on crucial issues in between. We have some fundamental conflicts in this community, which absolutely require discussion. Meanwhile, discussion with the SC has only become less effective.
We think that the goal of moderation should not be to avoid difficult conversations - it’s to navigate those difficult conversations in ways that remain safe and constructive. We believe we’ve made considerable progress as a community on making those conversations happen, and we believe they need to happen more for the project to grow, not be suppressed. We thank everyone for the growth that we have seen, and for their efforts to avoid personal focus in discussion, especially recently.
We call on the SC: to join us in resigning, effective immediately, with no second terms, and allow new members to take their place based on the community vote.
We call on the community: to demand transparency and accountability from the elected SC members, and checks and balances on their reach.
We call on the SC candidates: to commit to implementing a Constitution reform that will require transparency and accountability from the SC, with teams like technical steering and moderation providing a counterbalance.
We’re not leaving the community - yet, anyway. We will be around. Measures are in place to ensure essential capabilities are maintained. We hope to see this community grow and prosper, and we believe that it is only possible through transparency, accountability and trust.
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Yeah, I hopped on the NixOS community chat and my comments kept getting taken down. Wild community over there.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @bataroot 11h
It's a community full of woke furries, which is very sad because it's a great project. Bring back Eelco Dolstra, who I thought was only forced to publish that bullshit announcement that effectively pushed him out: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-board-giving-power-to-the-community/44552
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 10h
It's a community full of woke furries, which is very sad because it's a great project.
... yet if the fur of their suits gets replaced for ghills, suddenly governments pay for keeping the community healthier than hospital buffets?
This is why I hate people, btw. The ones who show up are decent although the stereotype smells like a sniper's diaper.
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idk bro never seen any of those people myself
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So this is the typical pattern being repeated. It's wild how out of touch these moderators can be with people you meet at the local store. When I'm online it's like an alternative reality.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @Norbert 15h
So NixOS has a board. The board created a constitutional committee, and gave it a mandate to create a constitution. The constitution creates a steering committee, and that committee created a moderator team and mandated it with moderating the forum. The moderator team demanded that the steering committee resign because they felt like they meddled too much in the affairs of the moderator team. When the steering committee refused to resign, the whole moderator team did instead.
I mean ok but … this is an open source project maintaining a Linux distro! Why do they need governance the scale of a small nation?? It's like it's designed to generate drama. These kinds of structures only attract people who enjoy navigating them.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 15h
Fun fact: "steering committee" in Ancient Greek is almost, but not quite, the plural of "kubernetes"; unfortunately, they're all dead and the living language is too loud for any opinion to have control authority.
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icymi
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Wow... that's a lot of words and I don't feel like I understand anything. What a sign of our times.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai 18h
NixOS had an interesting idea and it broke some of the fundamental invariants that are actually older than Linux. They tilted against windmills and had a good run.
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107 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 13h
I am running NixOS, it's great and I will continue to run it. I refuse to care about whatever is going on here.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 10h
refuse to care about whatever
... you've already got three digits of upzap on that comment; thus, you'll survive the second cycle1 of muting...
first was some irrelevant stacker account, zeroth probably myself, and because you've repeatedly expressed strong interest in this site and my opinions of it, I'll update you if I settle upon some reasonable base2.

Footnotes

  1. e.g., you have some guarantee that I'll mute no fewer than fifteen accounts before you, because
  2. ... 16 = [ 6 * ( 2 * ( 2 + 1 ) / 2 ) + 1 ] - 1 is the second hexagon completer
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Why is there a moderation team?
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100 sats \ 7 replies \ @adlai 16h
same reason you're not yelling for charity outside the temple in the zeroth century AD
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I think I have found a concept where I can wholeheartedly say "nostr fixes this".
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100 sats \ 5 replies \ @adlai 16h
I [...] can wholeheartedly say "nostr fixes this".
Color me skeptical; the problem is more "liberal"1 than technical.
... now, if people stopped shilling NOSTR as relaying, stopped pretending free speech and net neutrality are their heavenly father and sacred cosmic womb, and began living by policies like "I never zap more sats than one per paragraph", the world would be a better place than Joseph's Tomb in downtown Nablus2, for lack of anywhere else to reference.

Footnotes

  1. as in arts and minds, not as in economics
  2. Once, in 2010, but it was dark and I stayed outside
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155 sats \ 4 replies \ @optimism 15h
If you model the product of moderation as a subset of all content where only those that match the criteria of someone is visible, then you get something like this:
This is normal; we all have our biases, annoyances, preferences, and so on. On an individual level this is okay.
The problem is that if we filter out the overlap mandatorily for all participants in a discussion, we steer the discussion through our own biases, annoyances and preferences. If this starts hitting influential people (in the way that they get censored) you'll get conflicts, which is what is happening on Nix.
I say that nostr fixes this because it doesn't have mandatory filtering; all filters are client-side (in theory.) So my view and your view of a subject diverge, because we each apply different filters, as we have our own set of preferences.
This helps because it can be hard to have the discipline to not censor your opponents globally, and moderation teams by their very function are there to censor. This is why I asked the question in the first place. We don't want thought police so why do we create institutions that police thought?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 14h
We don't want thought police so why do we create institutions that police thought?
Git1 is the worst of all possible democracies; have you ever tried erasing margin notes from the Decleration of Independence, without recompiling GHC so you can trust darcs more than a bunch of dead wasps?2

Footnotes

  1. aka "why the entire Nix quirkitude violates POSIX sanity checks"
  2. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, aka "people who knew how to read footnotes before getting offended until after the Internet killed off racism thanks to paperclips" or something. I dunno, too many memes and people keep on giving me credit for something verbal.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai 15h
visible, then you get something like this: https://m.stacker.news/109856
why would you solidbg the euler diagram png; color me blind, foreign, and irrelevant... that intersection needs some alpha channel fiddling way beyond "I only used pastel, why didn't you zap me enough for pro-rata discounting my next Adobe Photoslop License Renewal"
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 14h
I don't need anyone's zaps for my adobe license, and I didn't use adobe. I am sorry to have offended you.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 10h
you must have ideas about how to read people
tip: most think I'm a robot; nobody got offended, knock down your stacks wisely unless you actually collect routing fees
What a gong show.
I hope NixOS is going to move away from all this CoC, various committees, politics and snowflakeness nonsense and only focus on maintaining their distro.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 18h
what a surprise, permissioned blockchain linux behaves like a permissioned blockchain without an army and a navy levying taxes to fund permissioned blockchain bureaucracy.
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This feels like a big deal for the project
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stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.