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0 sats \ 21 replies \ @Undisciplined 6 Oct \ on: House of Reps News Politics_And_Law
I'm guessing the Democrats will keep operating under the assumption that shutdowns help them politically.
Is Trump doing anything to take advantage of the situation? I haven't seen any news about the threatened layoff notices.
They really are trying to frame this as a Republican caused thing the issue is whenever they have the Senate next time the Republicans can do the exact thing to them with a clean CR. This is something I never would have thought they would have chosen. It really opens up pandoras box.
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Didn't something like that happen last time? The Democrats put forward a clean CR and Republicans opted for a shutdown over border wall funding?
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I think that was more of Trump wasnt going to sign it into law if I am remembering correctly.... it still blew up in Republican's faces. Historically for the last 30 years whoever shuts it down pays the consequences and so Republicans know first hand it doesnt work.
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That makes sense
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Hassett intimated this morning they got one last chance... based on the OP I assume his means weds?
The optics make sense, feds won't have missed a paycheck until Friday afaik... would have looked bad if layoffs started day 0
Crickets from Russ Vought since the 3rd... better than threats imo
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based on the OP I assume his means weds?
Turns out it meant Friday.
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Russ Vought, the OMB head and of Project 2025 fame, is the man with the plan to RIF the shit out of the government
He did a Tucker interview last year, talking about the rogue intel agencies and coordinated effort to saddle Trump with WW3
Popcorn ready.
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There are a couple of issues to flag.... The biggest thing is that there is no promise that furloughed workers get backpay. Only essential workers for various agencies and departments actually are promised it and furloughed are for the most part not included.
On top of the fact that even if they fund the government Wednesday people might not get paid for the days they were furloughed Senate Dems do not have a solid offramp anymore and the optics will blow up on them. The three that have voted to keep the government open are fine but the other 5 that will need to flip are going to look bad no matter how they try to frame this. Two of the 5 I would imagine are the retiring Dem Senators but the other three.... Its going to be rough.
Once we have to debate backpay another huge issue is going to emerge for the Dems as there isnt going to be much Republican support to pay people who did not work.
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there is no promise that furloughed workers get backpay
That's not accurate. They passed a law after the last shutdown guaranteeing backpay to all furloughed employees.
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So I should clarify what I meant.... A ton of the workers in the Federal Government are contractors like the people who run the food services, laundry services, and janitor services in the House and Senate. Those workers, which number in the hundreds of thousands, are not entitled to backpay.
The Federal Government itself does employee a ton of people but the majority of it it is done via Federal Contractors who do not historically receive backpay.
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Good point
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For instance the National Labs almost everyone at them are contractors. Tons of people who work in the Smithsonian's, Government buildings, even places like Military Bases..... for the most part people passing them assume the are Federal Employees and most of them say they are since it is easier to say I work for say the DOE or DOD rather than XYZ company who has a contract with DOE or DOD.
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So those aren't federal employees, they're private sector employees who just happen to work for a company that bilks the gov as a customer
That's a contractual dispute between those companies and the gov
If there's a big kerfuffle over this we'll surely get some spice over the WFA laundered through these contracts
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New IRS lead in the middle of this, coincidence surely
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It should take longer than that to miss a paycheck
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Bi weekly is what I recall hearing, they were paid less than 2 weeks ago so won't be perceptibly missing a check until this Friday
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They worked the pay period through to Tuesday, though
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Right yea the paycheck is lagged vs. work, so I think @Cje95 is wrong about Republicans will try to not provide back pay... there should be at least some backpay.
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It's a legal requirement after the last shutdown. Before that, Congress just funded it afterwards.
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The backpay itself is also not paid back all at once. At least not on the House or Senate side if it reaches a certain point (most of the time the month). They pay it out over a couple months due to other legal threshold amounts and tax issues. Senate might be slightly different but they have the same general rules they just get paid biweekly.
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