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Tox is more secure than Signal. Tox is true decentralised encrypted privacy immune to surveillance.
50 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 11 Oct
Tox is alpha software and has not been audited
Simplex is a mature and arguably vastly more secure solution
Simplex is by far the best messenger available
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Simplex is a private profit driven company probably working as a front for the NSA...and certainly prone to government demands for information unlike Tox which is truly decentrlalized and community driven.
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50 sats \ 2 replies \ @carter 6 Oct
what makes it more secure? I know signals group messaging isn't great but I thought the ratchet protocol was gold standard
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For Signal you provide your phone number to use it. With Tox you don't. Tox is entirely decentralised. Signal isn't.
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35 sats \ 0 replies \ @carter 6 Oct
You can have usernames now so you dont share your number but yeah i got you
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What's tox? share a link
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Thanks but I still prefer xmpp and simplex
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You are free to give your phone number and device identity to a centralised data base that is inherently vulnerable to state intrusion, but don't kid yourself that it is private and secure.
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xmpp and simplex don't require phone number neither device id, and you can self-host. But apparently your answer was not for me.
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my mistake I thought you meant Signal. What is so good about simplex and xmpp? As a company Simplex is inherently centralised and thus prone to state requests for data.
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You're really wrong about that simplex critique. Servers are all self hostable and all simplex hosted servers have onion addresses when you do need to use them (someone sending you doesn't have their own server). offering network layer privacy and decentralization.
A great list of trusted non simplex servers can be found on Nowhere by Nihilist: http://nowherejezfoltodf4jiyl6r56jnzintap5vyjlia7fkirfsnfizflqd.onion/simplex-servers.html
Spin up your own on a vps easily, or better yet behind an onion address only on a local machine and you can talk to anybody with nearly perfect plausible deniability. XMPP simply cannot offer this level of privacy due to it's feudal federation style of decentralization.
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The Simplex company itself is a centralised organisation inherently subject to nation state demands.
With Tox there is no centralised entity- no inherent vulnerability- it is truly decentralised plus very easy for anyone to use.
Simplex looks very demanding maybe accessible for very tech capable people but why bother when Tox works for anyone easily with zero phaffing around.
Oh man! Rabbit hole time!
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