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I'm still fascinated by the world encapsulated in this meme:
Instagram has rolled out an integrated A.I. in its comments system: Instead of leaving your own weird note on a stranger’s selfie, you allow Meta A.I. to render your thoughts in its own language. This can be “funny,” “supportive,” “casual,” “absurd” or “emoji.” In “absurd” mode, instead of saying “Looking good,” I could write “Looking so sharp I just cut myself on your vibe.” Essentially every major email client now offers a similar service. Your rambling message can be instantly translated into fluent A.I.-ese.
I can't help but think that the world where you can click a button to generate a detailed email reply or leave a nice comment is a world where such things don't carry meaning any more.

What is the difference between a "like" or a "thumbs up" emoji and pressing a "generate a positive comment for me" button?

Every sentence is gesturing toward some deep significance, but only in the same way that a description of people tickling one another gestures toward humor.
Emojis amd "likes" are "gestures toward meaning. I would expect the generated comments to just collapse back into a simple "like" because who wants to waste the time reading a comment nobody wrote?
But I argued in another thread (#1342921) that things don't have value because of the work put in to them...yet comments may actually be something where the work put in to them is some of the point.
Having someone spend time writing a reply to you feels good, even if the comment doesn't necessarily contain a brilliant insight. It is pleasant when someone takes the time to engage with you.
For some reason a paragraph that more or less says nothing new but that was written by a human means more to me than a paragraph generates by a button -- even if the generated comment says more or less the same thing. What's the reason, though?

Also: we definitely are underestimating how LLMs are going to change our language

In the British Parliament, for instance, transcripts show that M.P.s have suddenly started opening their speeches with the phrase “I rise to speak.” On a single day this June, it happened 26 times. “I rise to speak in support of the amendment.” “I rise to speak against Clause 10.” Which would be fine, if not for the fact that this is not something British parliamentarians said very much previously. Among American lawmakers, however, beginning a speech this way is standard practice. A.I.s are not always so sensitive to these cultural differences.
In 2024, the investor Paul Graham made that mistake when he posted online about receiving a cold pitch. He wasn’t opposed at first. “Then,” he wrote on X, “I noticed it used the word ‘delve.’” This was met with an instant backlash. Just like the people who hang their identity on liking the em dash, the “delve” enjoyers were furious. But a lot of them had one thing in common: They were from Nigeria.
According to the data, post-ChatGPT papers lean more on words like “underscore,” “highlight” and “showcase” than pre-ChatGPT papers do. There have been multiple studies like this, and they’ve found that A.I.s like gesturing at complexity (“intricate” and “tapestry” have surged since 2022), as well as precision and speed: “swift,” “meticulous,” “adept.” But “delve” — in particular the conjugation “delves” — is an extreme case. In 2022, the word appeared in roughly one in every 10,000 abstracts collected in PubMed. By 2024, usage had shot up by 2,700 percent.
This year, I read an article in which a writer complained about A.I. tools cheapening the craft. But I could barely pay attention, because I kept encountering sentences that felt as if they’d been written by A.I. It’s becoming an increasingly wretched life. You can experience it too.
The only ai writing application I like using, is the suggested email replies.
There are usually three options and one usually sounds right to me. Is that substantially less authentic than me taking a minute to land at the same place either way.
To be clear, I’m talking about the pro forma courteous replies, not matters of any substance.
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I wonder if even the pro forma replies will just go away though.
Take for example email signatures. Pretty much everybody has an auto signature at the bottom of their emails. And basically none of us want to read them. So why not jus skip that part? Email addresses are already usually our name. I think that this is already happening: many email clients put the signature in a lighter color of text or collapse it for you.
And maybe the pro forma reply should go the same way. But then there are those pro forma replies that don't feel like they should matter, because there is very little information carried in them, and yet they do matter: eg Thanks!
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102 sats \ 3 replies \ @optimism 11h
There can be a lot of information in an email reply saying "Ok, thank you!", or "Umm, can you explain? what's this?" - in a business setting. I used to send tons of emails like this.
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I'm sure Google email suggested replies are a pretty good representation of the most useful of such replies, but I'm wondering if we get to a point where they find certain standing wave functions that can be crystallized into a single click: the thumbs up emoji is probably the best example of this.
Or do you feel that short email replies still rely on a lot of nuance, which would make me think that suggested responses aren't helpful in those cases.
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 7h
Hmm I think that a short but concise response beats an emoji when actually talking about something meaningful. For FB/insta I don't care.
Like, when it comes to email, but also on for example on GH issues and pull requests. Worst feature GitHub ever added were these emojis. Now all the coding AIs use emojis in their comments and issues and life is awful. ~lol
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Emojis in text is pretty bad in a work context and is more often than not a sign of AI
But I do like the reaction emojis. They're a quick concise way to signal things like "agree", "looking into it", "good job" etc
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Those are the ones I’m talking about. There are all these little social conventions that go into those and that are tedious to think through, so when I’m offered one that sounds right I just take it.
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Right, but does the person reading such responses need you to send them? or are they still conveying enough info that they need to e said?
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I prefer not to receive those responses but my sense is that they're expected. The thumbs up emoji has done a great job of absorbing most instances of these replies though.
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I sometimes wonder if every alphabetic language is destined to become an ideogramic (don't know if this is a word) language.
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Everything will become about proof of work.
I see how well-written comments on LinkedIn gain more traction than posts. That's because 50% of the people are posting drivel, and the other 50% are commenting with AI.
The value of words trends to zero when producing them costs no time.
That's why words produced with thought and effort WILL continue to be valuable.
Final thought: If platforms like Insatagram become pure AI drivel-flows, people will cease to find it valuable and will eventually migrate elsewhere.
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I do think people will migrate to where other interesting people are, however a big question I have is: how much of the world will be ai-content content?
What if Instagram does become a pure AI drivel flow and a large number of people are happy with that?
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Really fascinating stuff.
I'm also interested in how the engineers who implemented this feature at Instagram felt. I might have been tempted to resign. It is just so stupid and dystopian.
But, honestly, I am not surprised. Stacker News is not representative of the population. In my interactions people, I notice that many of them do not have confidence in their ability to write meaningful or thoughtful things. They believe that the AI writes better than them, so they think that by having AI generate a comment or an email, that it will be of better quality than what they could write.
I think they are wrong, of course. I'd rather read a clumsy, genuine comment than a flowing, fake one. But still, many people really do think this way. Coupled with inherent laziness, and you can see why people would actually make use of this feature.
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171 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 13h
They believe that the AI writes better than them
I'm actually open to this.
so they think that by having AI generate a comment or an email, that it will be of better quality than what they could write.
But I'm at the same time not open to this conclusion, simply because if I were to instruct an AI to leave a note exactly how I want it to be, then I expect that it would be slower, not faster, than writing it myself?
So what we get are low effort interactions in settings of low expectation. But then, is instagram a place you go for the high quality interactions? It's a match... slop4slop?
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @fourrules 9h
I use Claude regularly for extracting the important ideas out of articles I feel that if I read I would be disappointed that I spent that amount of time. It's the equivalent of watching a video on YouTube at 2x speed. Sometimes you just need a tool or technique to discern for you whether a wall of text is worth your time before you give your time to that wall of text. Often I only learn one or two useful details from a long article whose author is conditioned to hit a word count rather than cogently and quickly getting to the fucking meat. Having read many thousands of articles before LLMs came along I feel confident that Clause is getting the salient points out better than the author could.
On the writing side it's similar. I think it's time consuming to communicate an otherwise good idea cogently, and LLMs are good at that. If I think I know what I'm going to say and how I'll say it as soon as I start typing, like this comment, I'll just type it into the field and post as is. But if I feel I need help tightening it up I'll copy paste into Claude to clean it up, then paste it back in. That makes me reader's life easier, even if they end up using an LLM on the other end.
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So, in your ideal world where writers wrote concisely without extra words, would you still find the Claude summary step useful?
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I asked chat gpt about the premise of your title. It gave me a BS answer at first and then a page-long extrapolation. I got the real answer pushing back demanding a better up front response. This is what I got:
"AI doesn’t write the way humans “tend” to write. It writes the way systems that are rewarded for not causing problems write.
That’s the core reason."
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But i'm curious what made you feel like this was the real answer while the first thing you got was not the real answer?
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @winteryeti 8h
I don't believe anything is a "real answer;" it's still actually just responding to prompts. AI LLMs can't think for theselves, at least not yet. It is a bit unnerving though how it does respond in conversation to make it look like it's responding on its own. The AI is still following the same model it described, answering until the user indicates the "problem" has gone away.
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aeneas 10h
Hype: Train the LLM to sound like you! Reality: LLM trains you to sound like an LLM!
Yea, no thanks. Let the retards keep their bots and atrophy their neurons.
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