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⚠️Problems creating a new channel in Phoenix ⚡👛🔐

458 sats \ 9 comments \ @flat24 18 Dec bitcoin_beginners

Something quite curious happened to me recently. I needed a new self-custody channel for Lightning. I chose Phoenix, which I have been using on my phone for quite some time and find to be a pretty good wallet.

This time, it was on a new phone. I went through the initial process of downloading the app, backing up my private words, and then sending a payment from the Lightning Network.

I have an open channel with ZEUS, so I proceeded to pay from there.

No matter how many times I tried, it didn't work.

I found it quite strange.

In the end, in order to create the channel, I had to send the funds from Zeus to WoS (Wallet of Satoshi) and then pay from WoS to Phoenix to create the channel.

Another detail that happened was that it told me that the estimated commission would be 1250 SATS. And in the end, it was more than 6000 SATS. 😮

I still don't understand why he didn't want to pay from ZEUS to Phoenix. 🤷

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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 18 Dec

Sooo, seems that you didn't paid attention to what I said in my guides. You used Zeus and Phoenix on the same device, right?

Both apps need to be active in the moment of paying. But in this case you were paying from Zeus to Phoenix. Zeus have an option to keep the node service alive, named "persistent mode". But that doesn't help too much, because you have to switch to Phoenix to receive. That persisten mode helps TO RECEIVE into Zeus, when the app is not active, but the lnd service runs in background.

Phoenix also need to be active in the moment of paying, usually the OS device will kill the service in the moment you switch to another app. But Phoenix doesn't have the persistent mode option (yet).

Try again using 2 devices one with Phoenix and one with Zeus. Guys, please keep in mind one important aspect of LN: YOUR NODE MUST BE ONLINE / ALIVE IN THE MOMENT OF PAYING, no matter what types of channels you are using.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @flat24 OP 18 Dec

You used Zeus and Phoenix on the same device, right?

No, the device where I have Zeus is one, and the device where I was opening the channel in Phoenix was a new one. I even tried paying with my wife's phone, where I have another channel with Zeus, and it didn't work either. I understand that Phoenix must be open to receive payments. And Zeus must be open while making the payment.

Try again using 2 devices one with Phoenix and one with Zeus.

I did exactly what you mentioned. I actually had four devices. Two with Zeus and enough liquidity to open the channel. And two different devices with two new Phoenix wallets.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @DarthCoin 23h

Do you have enough inbound in Phoenix? Phoenix will expand the channel, but with a cost.

21 sats \ 5 replies \ @flat24 OP 20h

Do you have enough inbound in Phoenix?

Yes, that's correct. I have a channel of approximately 900k SATS. And I couldn't receive anything sent from Zeus either.

Phoenix will expand the channel, but with a cost.

I am fully aware of this, as I have already had to expand a channel that I have been using for over two years. But I couldn't pay that wallet either.

And the two wallets I was trying to pay with were new, recently downloaded, and had no open channels. My intention was to open a new channel on each device. After paying WoS from ZEUS, I was able to send to Phoenix and open the channels without any problems. I opened the first one by sending from WoS and the second one by sending from one Phoenix to the other.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 OP 20h

900k SATS. @DarthCoin

When I say 900 k, I am referring to the incoming capacity.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 20h

It must be your Zeus graph borked. Try to reset graph sync and restart Zeus. That will update your local graph and find better updated paths. Maybe your node couldn't find a route to acinq node, but is strange. It could be also fees in the path.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @flat24 OP 20h

Which of these two options are you referring to?

(A)

(B)

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 20h

restablecer EGS al inicio. Va tardar un poco mas al inicio, pero luego lo puedes desactivar. Esto es bien hacerlo cada 2-3 dias si vez que te falla pagos.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 OP 20h

Okay, thank you very much for your help. I found it really strange because Zeus never fails me. I use it very often with WoS, Coinos, Lnp2pbot, and others, and it always works well.