Speaking of climate concerns clashing with real, hard economics (#1356623), here's this beauty from The Wall Street Journal:
The Climate Crisis Clashed With Affordability, and Affordability Won
Tl;dr = when money is cheap and abundant, growth is acceptable and there's basically no major societal problem and very low unemployment (read: Trump season 1/the late-2010s), there's no harm in shoving millions into long shots or some charity type phenomenon. Yes yes, we all spoke ESG and were gravely concerned with the existential threat that is(n't) climate change.
Then reality hit: real effects, inflation, "standard of living crisis," and rates back to some sort of actual thing (4-5%).
At that point nobody cares about green delusions anymoreAt that point nobody cares about green delusions anymore
Even the hotshots (former BoE gov and now Canadian PM Mark Carney, billionaire Tom Steyer, propagandist Bill Gates) have given up:
Why have climate alarmists suddenly gone quiet? The science and the economics haven’t really changed: Carbon emissions are still rising, and the climate is still getting warmer. What’s changed is the politics. Climate warriors persuaded the public to take climate change seriously, but not to pay for it, especially after the cost of living shot up in the wake of the pandemic and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The share of respondents calling climate and the environment their most important issue has dropped from 14% in early 2020 to 6% now, according to YouGov. By contrast, 25% describe inflation that way.
No, not quite politics (though the wokeys' insistence that orange man -- or Putin man -- is the most dangerous thing since [insert whatever] sort of limits the climate-change-is-going-to-kill-us idea), but economics. It's the money, stupid.
"In short, the climate crisis clashed with the affordability crisis, and affordability won.""In short, the climate crisis clashed with the affordability crisis, and affordability won."
the retreat of climate catastrophism has made room for a less strident but more sustainable climate realism, focused on innovation and the commercialization of low-carbon technologies. The scientists and economists who study climate change have long agreed that carbon-dioxide emissions from human activity are leading to rising temperatures that, in time, would hurt the economy via sea-level rise and increased frequency of some forms of extreme weather such as drought.
But climate advocates routinely went further than these carefully researched findings could support. They cast global warming as a doomsday machine that required an immediate, whole-of-society response.
In 2021-22, as the economy reopened from Covid lockdowns, and then Russia invaded Ukraine, inflation shot up, led by energy. Inflation and energy security became the public’s and politicians’ priorities.
Corporate America had already sensed the shift in the political winds when Trump was re-elected last fall. In a letter to investors in March, BlackRock’s Fink wrote: “Prosperity is once again defined by our ability—and our willingness—to produce and consume more energy.” He did not mention climate.
It also doesn't matter who's in charge
Roger Pielke, a longtime climate scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, notes U.S. emissions have been remarkably impervious to presidential terms: relative to economic output, they have declined steadily for decades. The reason is that policy shifts often take years to bear fruit, and they are often overwhelmed by other factors. Natural gas from shale hastened the demise of coal, and China’s solar manufacturing build-out slashed the cost of panels.
"It would not be progress if, having parted ways with one ideological extreme on climate policy, we end up hostage to another.""It would not be progress if, having parted ways with one ideological extreme on climate policy, we end up hostage to another."
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Desgraciadamente estamos destruyendo nuestro único hogar, no podemos vivir en otro planeta, somos conscientes de lo que hacemos pero no nos interesa, queremos tener los bolsillos llenos de dinero a costa de nuestros pulmones, las guerras hacen rico a los ricos, quien dice que sentarse hablar de paz con el fusil en la mano es verdadera paz, el hombre solo piensa en si mismo. No importa si en una parte hay deshielo, inundaciones, hambre, guerra, enfermedad, inundaciones y sequía. No somos más que parásitos en este planeta.
No apreciamos este regalo porque no nos costó nada, y no digas que no pediste venir si sabes que por más que lo intentes nunca estuviste en otro lugar ni irás a otra lugar.
Así que el cambio climático solo es una herida en nuestro planeta.
we're not, this is bullshit. Go read up, please
You know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Go read up yourself.
https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/world-exceeds-15degc-threshold-entire-year-first-time
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/temperatures-rising-nasa-confirms-2024-warmest-year-on-record/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arctic-temperatures-climate-change-noaa-report/
Hoy en Cuba 22 de diciembre hace vientos fuertes y aire seco, la temperatura es de 23° la mínima, normalmente tenemos frente frío ya sea que venga desde Canadá, cuando llegan aquí solo duran 2 días, estoy en mi mediana edad y cuando joven podía usar abrigos por una semana o más, ya llevo 2 meses y mis abrigos no han salido del closet. Siempre voy a creer que la culpa es del hombre ser egoísta y despiadado. Amo mí planeta no a quién lo destruye y hasta le cuesta hechar un papel en el cesto.
Also, Russian invasion of Ukraine happened, and EU suddenly became cash strapped. Then Trump happened.
Sure, probably economics is the best explanation for this.
But I wouldn't ignore the sheer boredom of the thing: Al Gore was telling us his inconvenient truth's back in 2001. People can't stay freaked out about something for a quarter century. It just gets too familiar. We've been through decades of global warming, and as far as the layman (me) can see, the climate more or less looks like it did. It's hard to feel like I should make a sacrifice when decades go by with no real change to the cliamte.
I wonder about a generational dynamic too.
Maybe this became a lame thing that Millennials are obsessed with, just like drugs or gays or whatever were lame things previous generations were obsessed with.
Trump is funded by Big Oil and with him taking USA out of the Paris accords the already fragile viability of the Paris accords collapsed. US corporate sponsored crony capitalist selfish greed and stupidity won over scientific consensus and moral decency. You and your children will have to try and deal with the consequences. Amoral Libertarian death cultists are in denial of reality and are incapable of responding to reason. Your rationalisations and sophistry are no less absurd and deplorable than those of Israel and its genocide of Palestinians and history will judge you as such. Perhaps its a good thing that China won the trade war and now holds the US military industrial combine over a barrel of rare earths. The US cannot fight a war of any scale for a decade at least without Chinas support because USA lacks the reliable and sufficient supply of refined rare earths that modern war materiel requires...and you cannot cope with that so you ignore it because it doesn't fit with your absurd Libertarian delusions of supremacy and entitlement.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine obfuscated an extreme natural gas shortage that was already coming.
One of my colleagues started warning (us not the public) about it beforehand.
The cause was Europe falling well short of their green energy projections and basically needing to buy all of the natural gas that was available.
if there was only a fix for that
Did the Germans ever get around to re-opening their nuclear power plants?