> The value prop is crystal clear.

It is, and there is definite demand. Just, not at that price. And when it comes to deep debugging, LLMs are not a time saver versus doing it manually, also not when you know what you're doing, so time will get spent. The difference is that an experienced coder will do in a day what will take a non-coder with an LLM a week or more, with much more precision.

> What kind of apps are people building?

Mostly specific small webapps and data pipelines that do work but are buggy. The grand visions don't really get anywhere, so I don't see them.

The simplest, most bitcoin-adjacent one was a dude that wanted "pretty" QR codes for his LN invoices on his wordpress site; combine png data basically.

Or for example someone wanted to automate away Excel and go from a csv file straight to a html report (that python code was slop soup and was a headache to make sense of, due to too many iterations by Claude)

> fix my "vibed" app

The value prop is crystal clear.

> I've now helped over a dozen people debug their vibed thing

What kind of apps are people building?

tonyaldon

You're right. I've now helped over a dozen people debug their vibed thing. Although vibed code often still reads like it's a string of StackOverflow answers pasted together inside a framework example, it did get better versus the first ones I did when people C&P'd from GPT 3.5.

Since I do like debugging, I have been playing with the idea of offering a "fix my vibed app" service. But it can get expensive real quick because of the tons of code spat out by the bots, so there's a bit of a disconnect in cost basis if someone spent a month with an LLM for 250k sats, and I'd at a minimum charge 1M/day. It feels like too premium a service for a low-effort project template.

Pushing new devs to skip reading code feels dishonest to me

You're right. I've now helped over a dozen people debug their vibed thing. Although vibed code often still reads like it's a string of StackOverflow answers pasted together inside a framework example, it did get better versus the first ones I did when people C&P'd from GPT 3.5.

Since I do like debugging, I have been playing with the idea of offering a "fix my vibed app" service. But it can get expensive real quick because of the tons of code spat out by the bots, so there's a bit of a disconnect in cost basis if someone spent a month with an LLM for 250k sats, and I'd at a minimum charge 1M/day. It feels like too premium a service for a low-effort project template.