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call it custodial/paper bitcoin then. yes, the inception of bitcoin didn't recognize custody. this makes sense from a philosophical point but not a realistic one.

as it stands, self-custodial bitcoin is not viable. if that bothers you, you can try to do something about it.

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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @anon 22h
self-custodial bitcoin is not viable

You are retarded.

Ecash is not bitcoin. It's an IOU from another shitcoiner. Nothing philosophical about it. It's really that simple.

This conversation has been had before. We're all just waiting for you to catch up.

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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @anon 15h
This conversation has been had before.

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ynniv 12h

it makes better arguments, but misses the inescapable fact that neither on-chain nor lightning can scale to the world. any system capable of scaling must use zero on-chain data per wallet. this prevents you from providing unilateral exit, and requires that there be some other guarantee.

in https://deposits.ynniv.com i propose "durability": wallets don't escape the layer, but they are guaranteed that, assuming the layer hasn't failed entirely, they will have access to their funds even if a "mint" dies or goes rogue. this is different than ecash, and also different than lightning.

is it still bitcoin? i think so, because it is denominated in bitcoin and doesn't allow fractional reserves. is it as durable as the base chain? no. is it better than ecash? i think so?

we'll see

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @AJ1992 12h

Dude..I've been paying in person for coffee with lightning almost daily for three years now...square POS is implementing lightning payments into all their terminals for use by businesses by the end of the year. Steak N Shake takes lightning now. It's absolutely built for large scale implementation and really is the only L2 that has any traction behind it in the non-crypto portion of the world. Thanks to massive lightning node operators like cash app and others, people are using lightning more and more. More businesses are running their own nodes also and accepting it as a payment method in person. It's 100% made for large scale adoption. It has flaws yes but I haven't had a payment routing delay in over two years. And I'm a daily lightning user.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ynniv 12h

i'm glad to hear that! i wrote the code that became square lightning acceptance

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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @ynniv 22h

you missed the part where bitcoin as it currently sits is not viable. preach to the choir if you like, but have some self awareness while you're doing it

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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @anon 22h

It's such a retarded take I don't think I even have to defend against it.

How about you tell me why holding your own bitcoin is not viable? Send it to me, Ill keep it nice and safe.

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ynniv 22h

if you haven't done the math, i can't help you

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 22h

Speaking of self awareness.... You realize this is a comment thread in a post about how cashu had a critical vulnerability, right?

Sounds like shitcoiners need to do the math and e-cash isn't viable. lmao

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ynniv 21h

pleb

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