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What doesn’t really make sense is a post getting 1,000 up sats from 10 people, and then one person with 333 down sats being able to cancel it out. That needs to be rethought.
I agree.
Optimism, after Scoresby did, made the point that in tuning for sybil risk we underestimated "activism" risk.
I'm thinking we should make upsats = downsats = boostsats in terms of weighting. Game theory tells us what people should do when they are rational and energetic. It's a great starting point for system design, but alone it tends to produce systems that humans don't like, because on average we are irrational and lazy.
I don't know how, but I think the number of up/down zaps (stackers) should be taken into account.
On that point I disagree because counting people, determining with 100% certainty that one zap = one human, is impossible today and will be more impossible tomorrow. Trust/reputation can be used to make better guesses about who is human, but it makes the system opaque and unfair. As is, it may be unfair, but it's transparent.
I wonder if the answer isn't user configurable weights. The raw data is in the zaps table, but users can decide their own methods of aggregation and ranking.
Obviously, that's information overload for most people. But maybe some human-friendly names for a handful of baseline configurations (Wild West Mode, Trust Mode, Default, etc)
Beyond information overload and engineering overload, it'd fracture everyone's experience on SN.
Under high variation regimes, the things I say about my experience aren't likely true of yours. e.g. this discussion we are having would be much harder to have if there were even a handful of modes of SN.
There's something special about us all playing the same game at the same time.
Yeah, it wasn't really a serious suggestion, as I think it's a "juice not worth the squeeze" feature, by any sane metric.
But I like thinking about the limits of possibility for these game theoretic systems of trust and attention.
The tradeoff between trust, transparency, accessibility to new users, robustness to bots/spam, and overall utility is a difficult balance to strike.
By fast food analogy: I like in-n-out because it serves hamburgers with little variation and has a relatively limited menu. It makes great hamburgers, and at scale, because it makes them with little variation and has a relatively limited menu.
I'm much more interested in building, and using, an In-n-out than a McDonalds.
This really is a microcosm of the attention economy. This wouldn't matter so much if Hot wasn't basically the prime attention allocator.
Even if I set my visibility filter to -1,000, downzapped posts are still effectively invisible to me due to my inability to maintain perfect attention. I'd have to catch them on Recent about the time they're posted. (My other option is to find a comment worth clicking on when I do Recent -> Comments which then helps me find the post.)
Hot and top are broken, recent is the way to go. That’s what I’ve been doing ever since I joined SN.
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