Never heard of this till now, but it's an interesting category altogether... you're thinking for RAG purposes I assume
hetzner or even AWS
I've actually 3/4ths built this 2-3 times already over the years but never prioritized it through the door, motivation was always to be the basis for Pub in a SaaS'y context and less of its own thing but with the own-thing option... Actually made a deal for credits last year with one of the few good providers to build it, but they wouldn't commit to Hetzner-like pricing even if we scaled it.
To do it right in a way Lightning nodes would be safe on it may require getting my own cabinet and iron since the ones with good iron don't budge on price. Lightning actually would drive the cost down significantly because vendors can get killed on charge-backs if they don't introduce a ton of KYC friction.
Are you thinking docker hosting + volume storage + reverse proxy directives w/ SSL... LXC containers, or full KVM VPS? Thing I cooked up last year was an LXC stack but came around to leaning Docker as better for Pub specifically.
I don't like the "identity"
Yea only the service needs the identity, the payer comms can be ephemeralish if there's no async response needed.
bootstrappable somehow?
All the bootstrapping is done on the Pub side currently, the VPS/Container host would be the final piece for automatic upgrades directly from wallet (or equivalent agent kit) without having to roll over static identifiers like offers.
for the nocoiner whose agent is their first exposure to LN
On-the-fly containerized Pubs that handle all bootstrapping would hide the complexity and "just work" from the agents standpoint, that seems to be what the "serverless function" people seem to be scratching at, but then their MITM invoices anyway to fire up the function which defeats the purpose.
Making it an always on cloud appliance on the other hand might drive up the cost hurdle substantially. Maybe we could make Pub+LND library unto itself that runs as child processes to whatever agent daemon people build...
Never heard of this till now, but it's an interesting category altogether... you're thinking for RAG purposes I assume
I've actually 3/4ths built this 2-3 times already over the years but never prioritized it through the door, motivation was always to be the basis for Pub in a SaaS'y context and less of its own thing but with the own-thing option... Actually made a deal for credits last year with one of the few good providers to build it, but they wouldn't commit to Hetzner-like pricing even if we scaled it.
To do it right in a way Lightning nodes would be safe on it may require getting my own cabinet and iron since the ones with good iron don't budge on price. Lightning actually would drive the cost down significantly because vendors can get killed on charge-backs if they don't introduce a ton of KYC friction.
Are you thinking docker hosting + volume storage + reverse proxy directives w/ SSL... LXC containers, or full KVM VPS? Thing I cooked up last year was an LXC stack but came around to leaning Docker as better for Pub specifically.
Yea only the service needs the identity, the payer comms can be ephemeralish if there's no async response needed.
All the bootstrapping is done on the Pub side currently, the VPS/Container host would be the final piece for automatic upgrades directly from wallet (or equivalent agent kit) without having to roll over static identifiers like offers.
On-the-fly containerized Pubs that handle all bootstrapping would hide the complexity and "just work" from the agents standpoint, that seems to be what the "serverless function" people seem to be scratching at, but then their MITM invoices anyway to fire up the function which defeats the purpose.
Making it an always on cloud appliance on the other hand might drive up the cost hurdle substantially. Maybe we could make Pub+LND library unto itself that runs as child processes to whatever agent daemon people build...