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I don't like it and found it incredibly frustrating yet interesting. We don't have immediate plans to deviate from the money is the moderator experiment.
The problem is one of outliers. Mods and trust are the usual way forums deal with outliers, which we can always introduce. For now, we want to deal with problems as surgically as we can. Stackers can see when there are aggressive upzaps but aggressive downzaps hide their effects so this new sort is aimed at helping that.
I'd be happy to answer any specific questions if you have them.
but now I can find all the downzaps:
https://stacker.news/top/posts/day?by=downsats
https://stacker.news/top/comments/day?by=downsats
This is excellent!
also your own stuff: https://stacker.news/Scoresby/all?by=downsats
This is awesome, but also reminds me of something that (mildly) annoys me when looking at my (or anyone's) history. For posts, I can mouseover and see the breakdown of sats, but for comments, mouseover won't do it, and I have to click, go to the comment in the post, and then mouseover to see the breakdown. Is there a reason for the different behaviors?
You are now actively censoring my content/posts?
My post
#1441579
Has net 22000 sats boost+zaps over downzaps but has been removed from homepage.
Are you now operating direct censorship or changed the way boosts/up and downzaps work?
No I saw that update where you reduced the leverage of downzaps to provide ~300% advantage to sybil upzaps by content providers...
But that does not explain why my post which has net 22000 positive value is completely removed from homepage where the top post has net less than 8000 positive value.
Sure you would never be rude...
'downzaps no longer have 3x the power of zaps
boost=zaps=downzaps=cost in terms of ranking. h/t butthole'
No I saw that update where you reduced the leverage of downzaps to provide ~300% advantage to sybil upzaps by content providers...
But that does not explain why my post which has net 22000 positive value is completely removed from homepage where the top post has net less than 8000 positive value.
Sure you would never be rude, or censor content...
'downzaps no longer have 3x the power of zaps
boost=zaps=downzaps=cost in terms of ranking. h/t butthole'
The last X items didn’t get any downzaps. But they still show up.
I'm supportive of continuing the experiment, and believe in the idea at a conceptual level.
The solution to trolls should be more tools to tailor your own experience, and sorting by downsats is a good step.
I suppose some decisions need to get made about what the default experience will look like, esp for new and not logged in users. But that's a lot of money for a troll to spend to influence the experience of non-commital users only. And every bad-faith downzap is actually a net resource contribution to other stackers, so while we may dislike the effect it has on rankings, we can't complain about big reward pools.
Ideally the larger reward pool will elicit more zaps and offset the downzaps.
One of the problems with that is we know the targets of the downzaps, which makes the Keynesian Beauty Contest dynamic more problematic.
Very Keynesian beauty.
I've also wondered what incentives the pool split on zapping only provides. No point making much content, better just zap everyone else's... Universalized, there won't be any content
The incentive is to be the recipient of those zaps
Does it matter for the rewards pot...?
No, but if there’s a larger supply of zaps and you’re capable of making top posts, then doing so will get you a bunch of sats.
If it’s only content that earns rewards, then there’s no incentive to zap it at all. That leaves you with neither zaps nor rewards.
In the prev system i posted like a crazy person but zapped sparsely... Still netted tons of rewards
(Fair enough, that was from daily subsidies so I take your point)
Now it's like, why bother put effort into posting when spam-zapping everything gets me (almost) the same reward?
Do you expect the corrective mechanisms that already exist to be sufficient for this or do we need some new tools?
I know I could probably tag and ask @k00b but it would be great if there was some sn bot that I can ask something like: "give me the context on the aggressive downzapping?" - haven't followed it
It’s fairly straightforward, although also confusing.
One account, likely a bot, has been aggressively downzapping posts from stackers who don’t have both sending and receiving wallets attached.
ty!
Are you going to share your thoughts about the aggressive downzapping?