Yeah, I could have an outdated definition of devops. FWIW I did also say devops people should get good at using these tools.

That was what the "original" devops vision was about anyway: putting ops with the devs.

I loved it because it removed a barrier / point of friction, reducing tension between IT services and R&D, less stupid blame games, less frustration, more customer minded developers. So I think that that's not a bad outcome; I never liked the "worst of both worlds" where we put new teams between devs and ops and called it devops.

optimism

Yeah... was not suggesting auto anything. You need an operator. Was suggesting we may go back to the generalist engineer with these tools.