When a conversation takes this turn, you know that it's going to be a fun ride. I have been following Parker Lewis's dissatisfaction with some of the suitcoiners linguistic feats and it has not disappointed. Indeed, you might say that today it burst into full flower.
"Digital credit is a dollar denominated income instrument issued by companies whose balance sheets are full of bitcoin.""Digital credit is a dollar denominated income instrument issued by companies whose balance sheets are full of bitcoin."
This is from a guy called Joe Burnett who is VP of Bitcoin Strategy at Strive. Burnett made a very sincere video some days ago. He called the video "The Mustard Seed" and said some very grand things in it:
Not least among these things was the above definition of digital credit. For all the solid sounding words in there, it strikes me that something is missing. Here's Burnett's more fulsome description of how digital credit works:
The investor buys the credit instrument with dollars. the issuer uses those dollars to acquire more bitcoin. The investor receives a dollar dividend paid monthly -- and soon daily -- in cash and then bitcoin's volatility is stripped out of the income product and transferred into the common equity of the bitcoin-powered issuer which there are a few of us that are happy to hold the amplified bitcoin and absorb the volatility.
So, obvious question, every has been asking it for months and months, and here I am late to the party, but here we go anyways: if the issuer uses the investor's dollars to buy bitcoin, from where do they get the dollars to pay the investor the dividend?
"Debt = Credit / Credit ≠ Debt""Debt = Credit / Credit ≠ Debt"
This, I think, is some of what Parker Lewis is getting at with his question -- which was not actually directed at Mr Burnett, but rather another Strive employee (Chief Risk Officer this time) named Jeff Walton. Walton replied to Parker's question with this impressive statement:
I am willing to believe some of Walton's statement here: I do think that people who are crazy-enough to buy STRC are doing some kind of assessment of Strategy's credit-risk. If such people aren't, I don't quite know what to say.
"It's not a credit instrument as anyone would define it in traditional credit markets and does not have protections of standard credit agreements.""It's not a credit instrument as anyone would define it in traditional credit markets and does not have protections of standard credit agreements."
Parker is having none of this and delivers a very enjoyable reply:
What are the risks that your preferred equity holders take that traditional creditors do not? The list is long but there are three very important ones. You know them so we'll see if you have the integrity to list them here for your stock holders. And calling it digital credit is just the tip of the spear. A summary:
- You are gaslighting. You are making misleading statements and misleading comparisons (not limited to Digital Credit). You are selling it as a panacea...as somehow important to bitcoin or as Joe stated, "an inflection point for bitcoin". You are downplaying the risks and selling it somehow as a product for "credit" investors (the credit market is $[x] hundred trillion that can be unlocked!) and the reality is that a credit investor that does not understand bitcoin would never buy this preferred stock. The target customer is bitcoiners or people blindly sold on yield (what could go wrong).
- Your direct incentive is to get people to buy your stock, and expressly not bitcoin. The direct incentive of every bitcoiner that has bought your stock is to get others to buy your stock and your preferred stock and expressly not bitcoin. There's a lack of honesty or at the very least a lack of self awareness around these incentives and how they can be perverted.
- Your business is very fiat in nature. It's your time so to each their own.
Parker Lewis and Jeff Walton are no doubt highly familiar with the protections normally afforded by credit instruments, but I unfortunately needed to remind myself about what some of these protections might be:
A contractual obligation to pay interest.
A maturity date when principal must be repaid.
Events of default.
Acceleration rights if the borrower defaults.
Covenants limiting risky behavior.
Possible collateral or liens.
Creditor standing in bankruptcy.
A trustee, agent, or enforcement mechanism.
Restrictions on issuing more senior debt or moving assets away from creditors.
Also, the big obvious one: STRC holders are equity holders so in the event of a liquidation, they only get paid out after the people who hold Strategy's debt. By Chat's count, Strategy has $6.7 billion in convertible notes that would be ahead of STRC holders in the event of any kind of liquidation, as well as $1.28 billion STRF, which is also senior to STRC.
Parker lists these three as the main protections credit investors have that equity investors don't as:
So what the heck is digital credit?So what the heck is digital credit?
It's an equity that pays a dividend out of the proceeds from new investment in the equity. This sounds like a ponzi, and I think BitMex Research addressed this concern best:
Of course it's not literally a Ponzi scheme, because it's not based on lies or fraud, however if something shares a lot in common with a Ponzi scheme, such that it earns investors an apparently strong and consistent return, but financing this return it dependent on the constant flow of new capital into the system, such that when the flow stops, the thing crashes hard, then it's fair to contrast it to a Ponzi scheme.
I'll leave you with BitMex's conclusion about what happens if things take a turn for the worse:
When the music stops, if things become challenging for MSTR, instead of selling Bitcoin, MSTR could just abandon the narrative that STRC is targeting stability. The company could just choose whatever path is easier. MSTR could just then reduce the STRC dividend rate by 25 bps each month. At the current rate of 10.5%, this would take three and a half years to get to zero or just over two years to get to 4%. While the rate is declining, the dividend payments become more and more affordable. This feels very favourable for MSTR and the dividend payments are therefore quite sustainable and affordable, in our view. Of course, this means that the price of STRC should crash, perhaps by around 50%, to the present value of the cashflow based on a much lower dividend rate and the risks of the product.
Also, I should probably have said that Strive does not issue STRC; they issue something called SATA (which is smilar). But the term "digital credit" is used in Strategy materials as well as Strive's.
Sounds like Bitcoin price suppression as a service.
BitMex weighing in:
source
https://twiiit.com/BitMEXResearch/status/2062904956319838488
I mean, I think you got it, basically.
I think when Saylor and co use hyped up terms like "Digital Credit"... it is mostly just hype... and they are targetting a certain audience that will eat up that hype and buy STRC or whatever equity they're selling.
But in the end, it's as you said, buying an equity stake in a company whose business strategy is to buy and hold bitcoin.
but it's slightly worse than that I think: it's buying an equity stake that is supposed to pay a pretty high dividend and the equity comes from a company that has no cashflow with which to pay the dividends.
I agree, which is why it feels disingenuous and scummy, and I personally think that bitcoin will not see further legs up until this strategy stops being the face of bitcoin.
Bitcoin will not have a 'leg up' until there is better education as to what bitcoin is
People, generally, have ZERO education about how the fiat system works. They don't know what "backs" it. They don't know how new units enter or leave the system. They don't know anything about it.
Yet, they use it because it denominates everything about their lives.
People don't need to get educated about Bitcoin. Instead, Bitcoiners need to build a world where Bitcoin is the denominator... the thing we use.
If Bitcoiners are educated to what Bitcoin is, and yet continue making excused to use fiat daily, then why would education be the solution? Eventually, someone is going to have to stand up to the fiat system, and THAT is what is needed. Not education, but the will to fight.
Shit, I would say we need better education to what FIAT is. Because even the Bitcoin community is far too comfy using fiat. Not angry enough about fiat. Clearly, undereducated about the danger and evil that fiat represents.
Read this about MoE
#1501468
I have posted before and I'll post it again... I spend bitcoin whenever and however possible because MoE is the future of the network. For us to move forward and educate/onboard others... We have to spend it
Yup, great post.
To be clear, my commend wasn't directed at you, but to the community in general.
Thanks for sharing that post. I'm 100% with you, and I've recently become bewildered by what Bitcoiners (thus Bitcoin itself) have become.
I think that was Parker's main point: that calling things like SATA and STRC "digital credit" is misleading people and actively hindering learning about bitcoin.
Bloomberg doesn't want people to understand bitcoin... 'The banks' certainly don't want people to understand bitcoin...
And the government is more crypto-oriented - they strongly prefer people buy the memecoins or crypto coins of the president, the leader, the congress etc etc...
So where are they going to learn about bitcoin?
There's this website. It sometimes has interesting articles and discussions that help people understand Bitcoin better.
Thanks I'll have to check that out sometime.
By the way... Have you heard about the new AI stocks? They're pumping they say ;D
never heard of it
are you sure it's reliable?
The thing that has shocked me most, in my Bitcoin journey, has been the fiat-maximalism of the average "Bitcoiner".
The strategy you refer to seems to be what the community has been striving for since the block size war. Not using Bitcoin as money, or ending the fiat system. The priority has been fiat.... disguised behind narratives about Trojan Horses and Gresham's Law.
The basic idea is to issue more equity to pay the prefs. So you dilute the equity by 11.5% and pay the pref 11.5% and in return you convert the incoming fiat to Bitcoin.
It's actually a great strategy aside from one major problem it only works if Bitcoin is going up and even if their models are correct and Bitcoin compounds at 20-30% over the next decade there is great risk during bear markets. The way to mitigate this risk would be to have a huge pile of cash or to have acquired the preferred funded Bitcoin at much lower prices. When Bitcoin is in a bear market no one wants to give MSTR money. They don't want to buy the common, lenders don't want to issue them more debt. So essentially if things get bad enough for long enough they will have to sell bitcoin to fund the preferred and maybe also to defend the $100 peg (the prefs paying 11.5% is meaningless if they have more than a few % vol because if I have to stomach a 10% decrease in the preferred equity plus pay tax on the dividend income I am down overall). If they have to sell a lot of Bitcoin to pay dividends and defend the peg it causes the price to crash more, their balance sheet becomes more unstable, the prefs become more volatile and risky and eventually the common equity becomes worthless. That is an extreme scenario and I don't think these products are big enough to cause that at this point.
I don't think we will end up in some doomsday scenario but I think much like the miners had to learn the hard way in early bear markets, financializers of bitcoin are going to have to learn the hard way and probably have to raise and hold much larger reserves during the bull markets. Maybe we will even see them add some gold to the balance sheet like tether did since it is less volatile than Bitcoin.
Holding cash is the most ironic solution, since that’s what sent Saylor down this path in the first place.
He’d need to start another treasury strategy to take advantage of that depreciating cash.
Well he doesn’t need to hold all cash but maybe enough that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
I still believe the best model for a bitcoin treasury company is have a business that makes heaps of profit and sweep it into Bitcoin. If lenders are throwing money at you at obscenely low interest rates use it to grow your core business to make more heaps of profit to sweep into Bitcoin.
Mustard Seed is his old podcast at Unchained... not the title of the video.
P... P-.... don't mention the P word!! #1297459 Dilution as a service! https://www.stacker.news/items/1292636
That was my conclusion way back when as well -- mostly, I think, in having to defend the treasury nonsense against tradfis thinking the equilibrium value of bitcoin is $0. (Then yes, duh, Strategy is trivially worthless and bankrupt-.-).
Conclusion: there's no obvious/natural audience for these products... (which, fair, has made it pretty shocking to me that they've reached 15bn or whatever)
a 100-fucking percent on this one. Very eloquent, and much more succinctly put than I have managed in my ~12 months of screaming about this
Excellent write-up
you are not their target audience
What makes you think that??
oh i dunno, maybe it's the unrelenting scorn with which you speak of them
Just because the writer can't imagine someone who could be interested in strc and not btc, that doesnt mean they dont exist.
Someone who does not understand bitcoin could be of the opinion that bitcoin has reached its fully adressable market, and will trade sideways indefinetly, and not be of the opinion that its going to 0 or the moon. This buyer of strc is making that bet, in order to bleed mstr dry. Mstr is making the bet bitcoin goes up.
As long as companies like strategy and strive maintain more btc on their balance sheet than preferred, the strc investor can bet on getting all their fiat money back and more.
The buyer of these preferreds are a similar type of person who would sell long dated ibit calls.
Obviously there are plenty of additional risks this type of investor needs to be aware of, like the possibility of a treasury company cranking their preferred interest rate to 0 rather than letting it bleed them dry, but I dont see that as guarenteed, as these companies still want the leverage unless they are truly going down the drain. Strategy current holds something like 30 years of dividend coverage worth of bitcoin. Someone making the sideways bet can make the bet on at least getting a third of that back before strategy permanently KOs their preferred by running the rate to 0, which would result in the strc investor having more fiat than what they started with(10 years at 11% > 100%).
Im not saying the terms of the bet are good, im just saying its a bet that someone could think is worthwhile.
Its not a ponzi but it strongly depends on the appreciation of bitcoin. If bitcoin appreciates greatly then its fine... But that's no guarantee (thank you captain obvious)
It's a Ponzi, just an honest and, like you say, benevolent one if bitcoin appreciates
Def a bear market with all these flame wars. Odell vs. Will now Parker against the suitcoiners
What a time to be alive!
It is true! we haven't had a big blowup yet, though. Or a rage-quit (unless I missed something?)
Leaked minutes from the Fiatti Ministry of Financial Innovation
“Let me understand this correctly,” purred Deputy Minister Fluffington.
“We raise fresh coin from the villagers…”
“We use that coin to buy Bitcoin…”
“Then we pay them ‘yield’ using more fresh coin, dilution, debt, or by selling a little of the Bitcoin we bought with yesterday’s fresh coin…”
“And then we call the whole thing… digital credit?”
The room fell silent.
One banker adjusted his waistcoat.
Another slowly smiled.
“So the Bitcoin does not produce the yield?”
“No, Minister.”
“The structure does?”
“Yes, Minister.”
“The marketing does?”
“Very much so, Minister.”
“And if the villagers ask where the yield comes from?”
“We tell them it is an exciting new financial innovation.”
Fluffington’s whiskers twitched.
“Excellent. Prepare the pamphlets. Use the word ‘digital’ at least seven times.”
people will fall for this shit in perpetuity...sad
https://twiiit.com/parkeralewis/status/2061614975915790472