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The mismatch of training to job category openings is as much a mismatch of college to market needs as it is the corporate trend to cut corners as well. Yes, no argument that colleges are out of sync with job markets. Parents send their kids to school on the blind hope they will have something useful in a skillset when done and the job will take care of itself. I learned that myth was an illusion when I graduated in 1992 and couldn't find a job to live on. Had to work two jobs, go back to school to get what I really needed in skills and then found my real career 5 painful years later.

But society isn't the only culprit. Companies offshored manufacturing hardcore in the 1990s, wiping out the traditional factory career that bought families their boomer homes, boats and cars three decades prior. The "service economy" was all about brainwork, while real production was shipped across the border to Mexico or over the Pacific to Asia. Now, thanks to new pressures like too much service worker supply, AI wiping out service jobs, and broadband Internet making it easier to hire service workers for cheaper in other countries round the clock, companies contributed directly to the current job market as well. Blaming schools alone is hiding who actually is responsible for doing the hiring and why they don't hire Americans more.

Now, the big looming concern is the need for more skilled workers. Good luck. It takes 5 years to be an electrician. 10-15 years for medical licensed training. And an easy 4 years with 5 certification no rookie will ever have before their first job for technician candidacy in tech. The US created its own trap and shortages, and much of it is due to pressure the need for offshore hiring again that is already trained and ready to step in the gap. There's no actual intent to open the doors for Americans to new jobs here, and Americans should be pissed enough to do something about that with the very companies that do the hiring.

It's really simple - if they don't hire at home, don't spend money on them.

There’s also the cultural hurdle of multiple generations being trained to look down on the trades.

It’ll be hard for people who thought they’d have white collar jobs to accept that they need to pivot.

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It's not just people themselves, it's also parents and the path they put their kids on.

As a parent, would you really encourage your kids to go into the trades? Not only do you have backward looking social pressures not to do that, but life in the skilled trades isn't easy. If you get lucky and get a stable office job, that's just an easier lifestyle. Easier on your body, more flexible hours, ability to work remotely, probably easier path to leadership roles due to the development of more cognitive skillsets.

IMO, it's easy to say "we need more skilled laborers", harder to convince a parent to let their kids go that route.

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Really good reply SS, very well put and summed up, my kid is coming out of college next year with a bachelors in computer science, with a view to make these choices

  • Apply for grad position
  • Apply for a summer internship and continue at college with a masters in environmental science (net zero bs isn't going anywhere, might as well try and profit from it)

After chatting with many experienced people in various industries, the general consensus is, if you have a degree in a science discipline albeit computers, employers will assume you're not a retard and should be able to adapt to most professions

A large proportion of computer science and physics grads end up in finance purely for their mathematical acumen

As you allude to, encouraging your kid to be a plumber looks good on paper until they're breaking their back ripping up floor tiles to fix a leak

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My first hand experience is that in a week hiring environment, employers are not interested in taking a chance on a physics graduate being able to figure it out. Those opportunities in finance and other unrelated fields dry up quickly and there are very few opportunities in physics itself.

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Lolz 🤣🤣🤣 they're cooked then

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Yeah. It might be a good degree during a boom but I was substitute teaching and stocking shelves after double majoring in math and physics.

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Scary times ahead for sure, thanks for the experience 🙏

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I'm an outlier because I'm pretty firmly in the pursue your interests camp.

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But usually the "pursue the trades" people don't sell it as a passion, but rather, "the trades are in demand and pay well"

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True. My friends who went into the trades basically defaulted into it because they hated college. I wouldn't say it was a passion for them but it also suited them better than office jobs would have.

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This is why Elon wants the Indian technicians.

Can’t build datacenters in space cause there are not enough skilled Americans.

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