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I once posted here on SNs a question related to claiming state provided welfare.
A person I know has reached the age of entitlement to universal state funded pension (65) here in New Zealand- but they have chosen not to claim it, feeling that they have sufficient savings and no need for taking other peoples taxes/money to support themselves.
I asked Stackers how would they act in such a situation.
ALL BAR NONE said they would take the money.
Libertarians are evidently a bunch of 'Time to get mine' hypocrite bludgers.
It’s truly remarkable how little a person can learn when they commit themselves to being oblivious.
Libertarians don’t fault the welfare recipient for accepting welfare. That’s not who committed the expropriation.
'Time to get mine' is clearly an attitude shared by many Boomers and Libertarians though as demonstrated by my informal survey conducted here on Stacker news.
Here we have Libertarians like @denlillaapan criticising the 'Time to get mine' attitude when they have demonstrated exactly the same attitude.
Saying the welfare recipient is not responsible for the expropriation is not true - in the case of Boomers choosing to receive gold plated pensions paid for by todays tax payers for example.
If you chose to claim a welfare payment you are part of the expropriation process and culture of entitlement fueling it.
When presented with a hypothetical scenario where they could claim a benefit all SN respondents said they would.
They choose to be recipients of expropriated funds taken by force from others.
And my example above was a Boomer who has chosen not to take welfare he could claim, because he does not need it.
There are few people of true principles but many who claim them but do not demonstrate them.
People are more often selfish hypocrites, especially @denlillaapan who bleats about Boomers but himself bludges welfare payments from the Iceland state.
Very committed indeed
Sometimes Libertarians call for all welfare to be cancelled.
Yet when presented with a scenario where they could claim payments for themselves they unanimously agreed they would accept it.
Selfish Hypocrisy.
Zero commitment to stated principles.
What is needed is for these entitled Libertarian hypocrite parasites to experience true poverty and insecurity and the significance of good government - send them all to Gaza for further education.
I understand your point because I listen to what other people say to me. Keep harping away on it as long as you like though. It won't magically become relevant.
Characterizing reasoned dialogue with a little rhetorical license thrown in as harping away is fine but the issues remain unresolved.
The inability of most Libertarians to even engage in reasoned dialogue and debate if it challenges their core beliefs is enough incentive for me to keep harping on.
It is worthwhile imo because not challenging blatant hypocrisy is inviting it to flourish.
We are all subject to the beliefs that arise and predominate in our cultures and we all have reasonable cause and motive to question outright hypocrisy and fundamentally flawed assertions...as they threaten us all ultimately.
Certainly one individual can only make a small impact, but believing that change and the contest of ideas are worthwhile and possible is all that needs to be assumed.
I'll spell it out for you a little clearer then. The welfare recipient has no say in either how much the government spends nor how much it collects, so their acceptance of available funds is not an act of aggression against legitimate property owners.
The aggression is committed by those forcibly expropriating property owners or doing so through threats of force.
Since there is no contradiction of libertarian principles here, there is no possibility of hypocrisy.
ironically I think that's part of the problem... people who grew up with boomer parents that cared about them and helped them out have this enormous leg up over people who grew up with poor boomer parents or boomer parents who didn't care to help them
I deeply hope that I am never consumed by such a mindset.
that's riiiiiight. Be better, biatchez
To me the most damning piece of evidence is the common attitude of “Time to get mine” when the alternative is something like “I can do so much more for my family than my parents and grandparents were able to.”
I deeply hope that I am never consumed by such a mindset.