Can you detail what you mean by web spec?

I don't consider p2p slop, it is also how fiat banks work. If two banks don't have a partnership the payment can go through a third party bank that have partnership with both banks. There is a need to go through trust/liquidity links.

On the other hand, onion messages are a big mistake (onion routing is great though), no objections there.

Yea, but it is somewhat literal where it does work like Tor, in terms of hiding the full path from intermediate hops

My beef is with Bolt12 and the introduction of onion *messages* on the network layer for arbitrary data, that just gives you the unreliability and slowness of Tor unnecessarily and completely unmitigated by the lock of an htlc

Lightning really should have been a web spec, not this p2p slop.

justin_shocknet

It's very confusing that they named this feature "onion routing" - that just makes it too easy to confuse it with the network layer tor stuff.