After attending bitcoin++ Berlin, payments edition, two talks have been stuck in my head.
Allen Farrington’s The Fiat Payment Stack Returns (Part 2), The Sequel explored how complicated fiat payments are underneath the familiar experience of tapping a card.
Then Lightrider’s It Worked on My Node showed us real numbers from nadanada.me. Once they added credit cards, Monero, shitcoins, and stablecoins, Bitcoin payments became a minority. And lightning is now just 10% of their payments.
Cryptorefills’ checkout data tells a similar story: stablecoins overtook Bitcoin in 2021 and now account for roughly two thirds of completed purchases on its platform.
I recommend watching both when the recordings are published. Together, they left me with an uncomfortable thought: the payment system we want to replace is a mess, yet people still aren’t choosing ours. I think we should take that seriously.
Bitcoin is a miracle. We have scarce digital money that we can hold under our own keys, without a bank deciding whether we deserve access. Nobody gets to print more. That is extraordinary.
We have won something enormous: the ability to save outside the banking system. I remain very bullish. Bitcoin is volatile, but my bet over the long run is still up and to the right.
But we haven’t won everyday payments. And perhaps we’ve spent too much time treating those as the same problem.
You might be happy to hold bitcoin through volatility. But a merchant trying to pay wages and suppliers may not be. Accepting bitcoin and wanting to keep bitcoin are different decisions. Meanwhile, a customer’s card is familiar, costs nothing to the user, and works everywhere.
If they choose that, it's not because they are "dumb". They’re solving their problems.
If we believe in free markets, the market gets to disagree with us. We should be curious about what people want, and build something worth choosing.
There is plenty to improve. Visa and Mastercard payments involve issuers, acquirers, processors, networks, currency conversion, and reconciliation. Merchants pay for that machinery, and the fees hurt when margins are thin. International transfers can be worse: in the third quarter of 2025, sending a $200 remittance cost 6.36% on average globally. Almost $13 just to move $200.
Stablecoins give people something immediately useful: familiar money that can move over an open network. For someone with an unstable local currency, limited banking access, or customers abroad, a digital dollar can solve a real problem today. Just like Bitcoin, but with less volatility.
Yes, stablecoins are fiat squared. You inherit fiat’s problems and add an issuer who can fail, restrict redemption, or freeze your tokens. But people are comparing them with the bank accounts and payment services they actually have. We should do the same.
I’m also unconvinced that CBDCs are the inevitable future. Several early launches have struggled to attract meaningful use. Governments can launch a product; they can’t manufacture a reason to want it.
My bet is that stablecoins will become the dominant way money moves across the internet, eventually taking over much of what card networks do today. People may still tap cards. Visa and Mastercard may adapt and thrive. The interface can stay familiar while the money underneath changes.
I often see Paolo Ardoino depicted as evil in Bitcoin circles. I don't know if he is. But what matters is whether he is right about stablecoins. And he might be.
Which brings me to the part that excites me: those dollars could move over Lightning.
What's the best "house" for stablecoins? There are many blockchains available. And looks like Tron is winning. Then Ethereum, Solana, Binance, ... So it's not like their users appreciate security and decentralization the most. Running a full node for any of those requires expensive equipment. Apart from other issues like PoS and even shittier version of that that give control to a handful or operators. But they are cheap. Big blocks, coming out every few seconds.
But blockchains don't scale. So if the whole world population would be using stablecoins, none of those would be able to keep up. At least without becoming a centralized database which might be too much even for the most careless shitcoiners.
But we have already solved that! No blockchain will be ever capable of competing with a channel based payments network like lightning. In terms of throughput and fees. So maybe Lightning is the best "house" for stablecoins after all.
Payment channels let us make many payments without recording every one on a global ledger. Bitcoin provides the foundation, while payments happen across a network of channels. I think that is a powerful architecture for global payments.
With Taproot Assets, a dollar payment can be exchanged into bitcoin at one edge, routed through Lightning, and exchanged into the recipient’s asset at the other. The customer can spend dollars. The merchant can receive dollars. Bitcoin can connect them without either having to share our monetary convictions.
Somebody has to provide liquidity and make the exchanges worthwhile. But the architecture is real. Tether has announced plans to bring USDt to Bitcoin and Lightning through Taproot Assets. I think we should be paying attention.
And honestly once on Lightning, the interoperability of Taproot assets with real bitcoin makes it too easy to switch. So that's another win there. Would be way easier to go from stablecoins to bitcoin than from fiat in a bank account to bitcoin, which is the current baseline.
The difficult part will be making it pleasant to use.
Self-custodial Lightning still involves channels, liquidity, backups, and recovery. We can improve that experience, but wishing everyone would run their own infrastructure won’t make it happen.
Some people will choose a provider. Others will want their own keys. Tools like Cashu offer another useful possibility: private ecash, backed by a mint the user trusts. That involves custody, but can offer privacy that an ordinary payment account doesn’t.
I can imagine wallets, mints, and payment companies connected through Lightning, competing to serve people who want to spend different kinds of money. What matters is whether users can move between them, withdraw their funds, recover from mistakes, and take more control when they want to.
Max Hillebrand’s The Praxeology of Privacy helped me think about this. I take from it an emphasis on practical progress toward autonomy. We don’t have to wait for everyone to adopt our ideal setup before helping them become freer.
Freedom comes before Bitcoin.
Bitcoin matters because of what it lets people do. If someone wants dollars for spending, I want to help them use dollars with lower costs, better privacy, and more choice. If they later want sovereign savings, Bitcoin should be within reach. The immediate benefit should be theirs, not our satisfaction at having converted another person.
I might be wrong about stablecoins winning, or Lightning becoming their best network. The honest way to find out is to listen, build, and compete.
Bitcoin has given people an extraordinary way to save. Now let’s give them better ways to spend, with useful wallets, private payments, and services they can leave as easily as they can join.
Have you read "Hijacking Bitcoin" by Roger Ver?
I'm not recommending it, because it's full of issues. But there are a few gems in it. One of them being his hypothesis which goes something like this:
The big bankers (Bilderberg) purposely influenced Bitcoin development around 2014 with the sole purpose of slowing down adoption so that they accelerate and could catch up on digital, fiat payment rails. It was clear that Bitcoin would be quickly adopted because, at that time, it was impossible for someone to send money to another person digitally and quickly. No Venmo or CashApp yet. Zelle was brand new, and under-utilized. The Cantillionaires knew they could not stop Bitcoin, so instead, they devised a way to slow down adoption by ensuring Bitcoin remained difficult to scale. (i.e. small-blocks, Wallstreet monetization, and distracting L2 projects such as Lightning). Now, a decade later, they have caught up. They have enough digital payment rails to keep the sheep stupid. No need for Bitcoin adoption. And they don't care about Bitcoin as long as it remains a gold-like tool. They don't care if a few of us escape a little inflation. As long as we continue using fiat for payments, they can remain in power, feeding off their money tree.
I'm skeptical of the idea that this needed a coordinated plan by bankers. Fiat payment companies already had every incentive to make their products better.
But I think there's a scaling problem missing from that explanation. Bigger blocks let you fit more transactions, but I don't think putting everyone's everyday payments on a global ledger is a scalable architecture, at least while keeping it cheap for people to independently verify it. That's why I see payment channels as something worth building, rather than just a distraction.
Still, from a practical standpoint: what next? How does Bitcoin win payments from here?
Even if we accept that explanation of how we got here, it doesn't tell us what to offer a merchant or customer today. They have working alternatives. Calling them sheep won't make ours more useful.
What would you build or change that makes someone choose Bitcoin because it solves a problem for them? Lower fees? Better privacy? Easier international payments? And how do we deliver that at scale without giving up what makes Bitcoin valuable?
But I don't think any of those are the issue. I think it's just volatility that people hate.
Yea, I agree with you. I don't ascribe to Ver's hypothesis, but I think it's interesting and worth keeping in mind.
As for what comes next, here's my 2 Sats:
Listen to a political radio show or podcast, left or right leaning. Most of the time on those shows, you will hear people complaining about one social issue or other. They always blame the other side of the isle for all their issues. I can't stand these shows because I just keep yelling at the radio: "It's the money, stupid! What do you think happens when there is a money printer at the top??!!!!"
I bring that up to emphasize how much appetite there is for real change. But no one knows that the money is the problem. No one has read Alex Gladstein's books, and Bitcoiners are NOT getting that message out.
Now, listen to Bitcoin podcasts. All I hear there are macro-economics, focused on debasement-trades and fiat-based technical analysis. No wonder we aren't getting the message out to the world, we're circle-jerking monetary nerds. Like a stereotypical computer nerd from the 1990's getting excited about the internet... no one understands what we're talking about.
What we desperately need is someone getting Alex Gladstein's message out to the masses, NOT James Check's message.... not Jordi Visser's message. Those podcasts are great for the nerds, but people are not going to listen to that for fun like we do.
We need a messaging shift. Get the heart strings. Fiat destroys ecosystems, enables wars, kills babies. Get this on the mainstream news, not another Bitcoin chart or negative segment about Bitcoin miners making too much noise. Show the people WHY Bitcoin is good.
Simultaneously, Bitcoiners need to make more of a stand against fiat. We have read Gladstein's books.... we have read "The Creature from Jekyll Island." We understand why fiat is so bad. So.... why do we continue using it without even a flinch? What message do we send when we talk shit about fiat and then immediately start asking for donations in fiat, and continue using fiat terminology?
I think we need to start practicing what we preach. When 10% of the world boycotts fiat merchants and fiat systems, the other 90% will start listening to us. Because right now, we just look like a bunch of hypocritical, fiat-maxis. I know we can't all immediately move off of fiat for everything, but I know we can do A LOT more than we are. And I know we are coming across stupid to the world lately.
We've solved many of the technical problems. Now, we need to solve the social ones. Get people to start using what we've built. We can start with ourselves. Do more to stop using fiat, and stop making excuses for why we can't do more than we are.
Most people have no idea what money is. They swipe their credit card and figure if they can make the monthly payment... They can 'afford' something.
They are content paying each other in pieces of paper.
Then when they get tired of their car or whatever they financed they 'sell' it (they never owned it) and have 'negative equity' which means they have to make payments on a vehicle they don't own that total more than the vehicle is worth (a depreciating asset on top of that).
Millions of Americans do this it's 'popular' its how you "buy things" (which is actually financing things through a bank?)
Is it any surprise then that 'hold your own keys' 'hard money' 'that you can't fake' that you either own OR DON'T is so unpopular?
How do you make your "monthly payment" on owning bitcoin?
People aren't really ready for bitcoin yet. There needs to be another financial crisis and people will figure our what that paper money is really worth. Not until then.
10/10 answer🔥
you could do visa payments on internet since forever.
It's complete crap. Guy is a moron, understands nothing about money or payments
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Bitcoiners have a hard time accepting this reality
I've always figured btc as MoE is something that will just take care of itself with time. Volatility will even out at much higher prices, and eventually the dollar will be such shit peole won't even want it anymore. We're still building infrastructure and this is a long game. BTC could stay SoV for another 20 years or something and then the MoE could become obvious and thrive.
Why weren't the first (almost) 20 enough?
volatility? switching costs? cap gains (at least in the US)? entrenched fiat infrastructure? many reasons
But will any of those go away in the next 20 years?
Why? What's the point? So that you can verify when/how Tether and the US Gov rugs you with more certainty? Why not use Tron or whatever if you're already resigned to counterparty risk? This mythical user that cares about the veracity of their shitcoins, but somehow can't comprehend bitcoin, doesn't exist afaict.
I'm looking at it from the other side. Payment channels are cheaper and faster than a blockchain. Even despite how centralized these shitcoin blockchains are, they're still super expensive! And transactions take ten-ish seconds to confirm.
See https://gasfeesnow.com/
Paying 2-4 USD for a stablecoin transfer in Tron sounds crazy to me. And that's with blocks every 3 seconds and some mega centralized PoS mining system.
Imagine how that would be if the majority of humans used stablecoins. Blockchains don't scale.
So what I say is that LN has a chance to compete and beat all these chains. It already exists and works, so it might be that it catches on just for its speed and fees alone. Not because stablecoin users would care about decentralization or trustlessness.
We might not want to miss that chance.
Bitcoin is faster and cheaper when censorship resistance is a priority, but if you don't need censorship resistance some larping federated database purpose built for stables is going to be faster and cheaper.
If stables are on bitcoin/lightning fees aren't going to stay where they are and the network is going to be surveilled and heterogeneous and slow and prone to failure.
I'm happy to. I feel like you all (stablecoin people) have so run out of ideas and narratives you are free basing hopium and it's led you to think stables fixes bitcoin-fixes-this. Good luck.
I'm here to learn, so don't take what I say as if I meant it to be the absolute truth.
I don't consider myself a “stablecoin person.” But I see people choosing stablecoins for payments, and I don't think hoping they'll switch to bitcoin anytime soon is much of a strategy. I'm trying to understand what we can offer them that's worth choosing.
Your point about a centralized database being more efficient is fair. But it raises a question I still don't have a good answer to.
Why wouldn't Tether run a centralized, publicly verifiable ledger? Users could still generate their own keys, receive payments without opening an account, and verify the history. Other people could build wallets for it. Tether could keep issuing on other networks too. Presumably, its own ledger could be very fast and cheap. They could even create a cashu mint... Don't expect them to, but it would definitely be world changing.
I understand that verifying the database wouldn't stop Tether from censoring transactions or shutting it down. But Tether already has the power to freeze USDT on the networks people use today. So how much additional trust would this actually introduce, especially compared with a blockchain controlled by a small group of operators?
There is a difference between trusting someone to redeem your dollars and trusting them to operate the entire payment network. I get that. What I'm missing is how valuable that separation is in practice for stablecoin users. Valuable enough to pay more for it? Or are the existing networks winning mainly because that's where the users, wallets, and liquidity already are?
Maybe there is something important I'm overlooking. That's what I'd like to understand, rather than dismissing the blockchain as theater or assuming it's necessary.
And that also changes the question about Lightning. Bitcoin gives it a much stronger foundation in terms of decentralization. But can Lightning compete on cost and throughput once we include liquidity and the exchanges at both ends?
I still think it's a possibility worth exploring. If people want dollars for spending, I'd like us to offer them something useful. Whether Lightning is actually the best way to do that is an open question for me.
All good. I'm just a bit on one this morning and I'm tired of the newly popular narratives:
It's all NGU talk with new rationalizations to me.
It would make them a money transmitter. If they outsource it to "blockchains" and merely issue stable tokens they can evade such regulations. That's why I said federated (ie PoS), e.g. Stripe's Tempo.
I'd guess not. I don't think stablecoin users care about the network or trust or any of that. They care about cost and probably somewhat ease of use. I think that's what Tether's support-all-chains strategy has shown.
One clarification: I'm not saying that stablecoins are going to be good for Bitcoin. More like: stablecoins are winning, how can we make this an opportunity for Bitcoin.
Agreed on the rest.
It already is. It's teaching people the wrong things about blockchains, but it's teaching them about blockchains.
Beyond that, imho the main way to make it an opportunity is the boring way: make bitcoin and lightning better by fixing/improving all the hard stuff that remains, and add things that further differentiate it from fiat systems. People will show up to something that works better and is better when they've run out of all these doomed to fail shortcuts. I don't think the answer (not that it's your answer) should be to bring these doomed to fail shortcuts to bitcoin.
i keep reading PoS as Piece of Shit... which still fits when talking about shitcoins 😂
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Oooh , fuck I need to see that. LOVED the first one... Is this online somewhere?!
Will be in a week!
Will hold you to that, sir
@remindme in 1 week
stablecoins are not stable, because they are built on fiat which in itself is unstable and lacking scarcity. Not even the idea of $1 is always $1 because fiat is constantly dilluted.
stable coins are just collapsing centralized fiat tokens in a new trendy name.
Bitcoin is the one and only way for proper money.
Yes. But that's not the point.
I agree with all you said. But that's not incompatible with thinking that Bitcoin won't be the MoE that wins during the next decades. Stablecoins win. And that can be good for Bitcoin. All roads lead to Rome.
I'm going to have to read this article before just blurbing out opinions.
Bookmarking to read after work.
ha, never thought of that :-)
"stable coin" is a bit like "federal reserve"... 😬👌
Yup.
There are enough Bitcoiners who understand this. Enough of us to change the terminology. But today's Bitcoiners seem just fine using that term as well. As a community, we should push to change "stable coin" to something like "USD-Coin", or "fiat-coin".
The founders of the federal reserve understood how important terminology is for scaling public opinion. Bitcoiners, generally, do not understand or care about this, it would seem.
I think this is the key distinction: Bitcoin may be better suited as the savings layer, while stablecoins can be the spending layer. If people are already choosing stablecoins for payments, the better question is how we make that activity benefit from Bitcoin’s security and open network.
This is actually out-performance when you think about how irrelevant Lightning is in the totality of payments, and the percentage of people for whom Bitcoin is their reserve currency.
People for whom Bitcoin is NOT their reserve currency, it's not particularly good at payments, at least not better than stables. Bitcoin's scarcity/censorship resistance mean nothing for payments if people do not value those first as their reserve currency.
As stables grow I think we're going to see, or need to see, a framing realignment. Lightning doesn't exist to get people to understand Bitcoin because is enables payments. Rather, stables for payments will be the gateway drug to Bitcoin for savings... Lightning becomes an on-ramp for that.