@denlillaapan mentioned here that he'd be interested in seeing a writeup on what's known as the "Secretary Problem". Turns out, it's been discussed on SN before, and it's often sold as some "mathematical rule for life decisions".... but after studying up on it I think it's a bit sillier and less applicable than most people realize. So here's my writeup on the subject.
The Secretary Problem, as it's known, is a puzzle in probabilistic optimization theory. Understanding the setup will help us understand how useful it is in real life. The setup goes like this:
- You want to hire the best secretary out of N possible candidates.
- You don't know their quality levels until you interview them.
- You can only interview candidates one at a time.
- Once you interview a candidate, you gain sufficient information to rank them among all previously interviewed candidates, though you still don't know the rankings of the un-interviewed candidates.
[Unrealistic Assumption #1]After you interview a candidate, you must immediately hire them or not... you can't wait to interview more candidates.[Unrealistic Assumption #2]If you reject them, you can't go back to them again later.[Unrealistic Assumption #3]The only measure of success is hiring the absolute best out of the N candidates. Hiring the second best vs. hiring the third best are considered equal failures.
Note that since your only goal is to hire the absolute best, you'd only ever hire an interviewee if they're the best you've seen so far. The basic tradeoff is this:
- If I hire them now, I risk the possibility that the best one would've come later.
- If I reject them now, I risk the possibility that they were actually the best.
The math is a bit tricky, but it turns out that the optimal decision rule is (approximately) to always reject the first 37% of candidates, then hire the first candidate afterwards who ranks better than all the previous.
The idea behind the solution is that it's too early to hire the first 37% you interview. The probability that the best candidate is among the remaining applicants is still too high.
In popular media
The Secretary Problem has been used to describe search processes where you have to go through candidates one by one, like dating, house hunting, and job interviews. It has achieved popular attention because of the seemingly ruthless rule of automatically rejecting the first 37%. Especially when applied to dating, it would suggest that you should never marry your first few boyfriends/girlfriends, because the probability that the best match is yet to come is still too high.
Critiques
The problem with applying this to real life is that some of the assumptions are unrealistic. The worst culprit is Unrealistic Assumption #3. The 37% rule is only optimal if you literally do not care about anything other than finding the perfect match. The problem is set up in such a way that ending up with 2nd best is equally bad as ending up with the worst candidate. There is no such scenario in real life where this is true, so the 37% rule is already not very applicable.
Unrealistic Assumptions #1 and #2 may be true in dating. You often can't go back to a bf/gf that you've previously broken up with, and it's usually tough to explore multiple relationships at the same time. However, in job interviews and house hunting, there are usually no such restrictions... there's just some risk that if you wait too long, the candidate is no longer available. But that's a far cry from saying you have to immediately accept or reject a candidate after interviewing it.
One other thing I'll add is this. The problem setup assumes you know what N is. That is, you now exactly how many candidates there are going to be. In most real life scenarios, like dating, you don't know that. If you break up with your current partner, you don't know for sure another candidate is even going to arrive.
Oh, and one more unrealistic thing is that the information you get when you interview is purely ordinal, meaning it lets you rank the candidates, but it doesn't tell you an actual measure of the quality of whether this person can do the job and how well. In most realistic settings, we care less about ranking amongst the candidates, and more about some absolute level of quality that we're looking for.
Conclusion
It's a fun statistical puzzle, but the applicability to real life is way overstated. One of those things where people hear a counterintuitive brutal strategy---"auTOmAtiCaLLy rEJECt thE FIrsT 37% oF APPLICanTs!"---and make much hay of it.... but yeah honestly you shouldn't do that in real life.
AAAHAAH amaaazing!
I sort of just said that as a throw-away.... very happy you took it to heart!!
As for the assumptions, for most things (houses, dating, profession), #1 and #2 seem reasonable enough. Significant lock-in, difficulty going backwards/do-overs/moving or career shifting are messy and costly
but #3 for sure, I understand... optimization sort of implies always peak instead of the more human/reasonable "somewhere in that neighborhood." Can you loosen this assumption a little and say, for instance, "get me the top-2% of dates/houses/jobs" I could get instead of the absolutely best?
YES!! That's always been my go-to... 37% of what?! How am I supposed to know how many potential relationships/houses/job offers will come my way throughout life?! If there's no way of telling where I am on the map, informing me that it's optimal to reject first 37% is useless
Thinking about it more, the most unrealistic part isn't just that you only care about the top 1. (Even if you were willing to accept top 2, top 3, etc, the decision rule would still be to reject the first X% of applicants).
Bigger culprits are:
For dating in particular, there's another problematic assumption that you didn't state: the quality of future relationships needs to not be impacted by how many failed relationships you've had.
indeed, and the effect is asymmetric depending on gender: men want to be a woman's first and women want to be a man's last HAHA
To the gulag with you
I recently learned that gulag is actually an acronym
what is it with authoritarian bureaucrats and their penchant for acronyms
I had no idea. I wonder when that started. It doesn't seem like everything was acronyms way back in history times.
It's basically the Soviet Era equivalent of the FBOP
useless
after reading this I'm happy that AI is putting mathematicians out of the market
Even models with unrealistic assumptions aren't useless. They still teach you how to think carefully about a problem. If you can't solve the simple model with unrealistic assumptions, how are you going to solve the more complex model with realistic ones?
In the case of the much ballyhooed "37% rule", I blame the math journalists more than the mathematicians.
Denstravaganzas no more
look, this is why I can never win the econ prizes anymore... I spaaaammm out pretty good posts, only to be beasted by a single SimpleStacker piece. I guess quality > quantity -.-
Nothing good ever lasts
Can't let you run the table every time!
Kind of not winning anything these days... Peeps beating me to Block's prizes; wasn't even in top-5 in B&A last week.
It's a tough life. Competitive. Rent-seeking is a bitch or a life
You'll want to get another banger in before the end of the year. Right now you've got the 4th, 5th, 7th, and 8th ranked posts in a top 3 contest.
Seeee, I'm fucking losing!
Can't have this.
Good thing I have a few months. What's the threshold to beat (in sats) for top 2 and 3? (Can't ever dream of beating that #1)
Probably around 40k. It might be hard to touch, now that the zap wars are over.
They shall be making a return, I'm sure!
Very interesting! Yet another cool concept that you’ve exposed me to for the first time!
In a letter to one of his sons, Tolkien addresses the idea of finding an ideal spouse. I’ve always found it interesting and believe it sheds more light on why the secretary problem wouldn’t apply well to dating. It’s broken up in a few quotes under point three of this site which discusses the letter it’s from: https://beautymatters.substack.com/p/tolkiens-guide-to-a-good-marraige
You can probably find the whole thing online, but on a quick search, this site seems to lay it out well.
TIL Tolkien used the word "ain't"
Unless this was a paraphrase?
I believe that one is also a direct quote. I definitely hear a lot o' good ol' S Gamgee in that one there.
#philologistsgonnadowhatphilologistsgonnado
I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Gamgee is Tolkien's self insert
Makes you think!
1/e
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