what is the cheapest hardware to run full btc node + LND to run as long as possible
414 sats \ 9 replies \ @nerd2ninja 12 Jun 2023
Raspberry pis are no longer the cheapest (or even cheap at all anymore tbh) option. Right now the cheapest option is to join Optiplex gang and just buy a used PC for like $100
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50 sats \ 8 replies \ @teoraroa OP 12 Jun 2023
i used rasp but it failed twice me using lnd
now i only use it as full node
but cause of fees , i want to buy a computer to install full node and lnd
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @nerd2ninja 12 Jun 2023
Because of fees, you should read this guy: https://thebitcoinmanual.com/articles/open-multiple-lightning-channels/
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @teoraroa OP 12 Jun 2023
why you point me to this website ?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nerd2ninja 12 Jun 2023
To save on fees? You said because of fees you want to run a node. If you batch your channel open transactions (especially if you batch with other node operators) you can save on fees
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @teoraroa OP 12 Jun 2023
oki dok
Thanks Again :)
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ssats 12 Jun 2023
In what way did the PIs fail?
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @teoraroa OP 12 Jun 2023
it was a year ago, when i stopped LND
And after investigating, i understood the hardware is to low to run full node and LND on raspberry 4b with 8 gig ram
but my full node works perfectly since a year..
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OriginalSize 12 Jun 2023
I've found Pis tend to corrupt their microsd cards. This is over years, so not frequent but a few times on a couple devices is annoying enough. SSD or HD are probably better.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @JustinGoldberg 12 Jun 2023
The real long-term cost is the electricity, which is what makes Pi's so attractive. I thought that laptops would be frugal on electricity, but actually an older model Intel NUC that uses 10-15 watts of power is going to be better (I don't remember the model but they can be gotten for about 100 to 150, the newer models use 20 watts). Or just search ebay for mini pc.
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @SovranSystems 13 Jun 2023
This one right here: https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Lake-N100-Desktop-Computer-Family-NAS/dp/B0BVFKN7ZL/ref=sr_1_3?crid=BP0IZB7KIO00&keywords=n100+mini+pc&qid=1686615495&sprefix=%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0.
With this hard drive for the blockchain: https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07H2RR55Q/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2EQ99BNCSFP7I&keywords=2tn+hdd&qid=1686615665&sprefix=2tn+%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-2
I can help you install Sovran_SystemsOS on it if you want, as well.
Or you can receive one from us completely built and setup by gifting 2M stats to the movement. We do all the hard work (Fun work :) ).
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3 sats \ 1 reply \ @021da48107 13 Jun 2023
How do you fit a 3.5" drive in that Beelink device? The amazon page says it has room for a 2.5" drive, but not a 3.5".
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SovranSystems 14 Jun 2023
Ah good catch. That was my bad. Yes, it is a 2.5 inch. Here is the proper link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D99S8Z7?ref=nb_sb_ss_w_as-reorder-t1_k1_1_6&=&crid=1XPOZFGFBOHQ2&=&sprefix=2.5+in
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3 sats \ 0 replies \ @Darkbulb 12 Jun 2023
Old pc
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130 sats \ 1 reply \ @BitcoinFreedomSiim 12 Jun 2023
Raspberry Pi fails more often or not when booting is done from MicroSD, booting directly from SSD is better option (enclosure with USPA support better as faster).
I am in process of testing out Odroid M1 8GB ram, paid 162 eur together power supply and metal cover, looks better in real life than in pictures (like iPhone space grey almost).
Max consumption 4,5W max, 44 kWh a year!
Adding 2TB Samsung 970 Evo pro NVMe with 105 eur, 1TB option available with 65 eur (also in Amazon), so total will come 230-270 eur, will sell plug and play starting from 365 eur shipping includes.
It is 4-6x faster than Raspberry Pi 4 Board so for me was a no brainer after looking for an alternative to Raspberry Pi 4 (as mentioned, not available right now or expensive) for myself for months
Have in mind doing faster x86 option also for Umbral Home, little cheaper.
For refurbished, you could find old Mac Mini, specially the Mac Mini late 2014 that lets install NVMe with a special connector under 30 eur.
There are i5 & i7 options available with 8-16GB, stay away from 4GB. They are soldered, can’t change the ram. Earlier 2011 models yes but only SATA SSD.
https://runabitcoinnode.com/
Feel free to give any feedback. Twitter DM open.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @JustinGoldberg 12 Jun 2023
I have an M2 SSD in a usb-3 enclosure. I am testing out if I can boot it on various machines, in which case I have the ultimate in server portability. I can then upgrade to a USB4, whenever those are released.
It has a ubuntu server/full node on one partition, umbrel on another, and linux mint gui with all of it's niceties. It's probably not the most secure setup though, as it isn't encrypted yet. I'm working on figuring out LUKS2.
So far most modern BIOS have had no trouble booting EFI on external drives. If one does, I can convert it back to mbr boot.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @teoraroa OP 14 Jun 2023
thks for all your reponses
i will go for an equipment like a lenovo
apple and microsoft, i do not trust
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IgnaciobTato 13 Jun 2023
A Lenovo M900 should be fine.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @cyberpunk02 13 Jun 2023
I like this setup https://cyberpunk-hardware.gitbook.io/untitled/tested-models/dualblock is fanless and currently $179.34usd 0.17934kusd
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 13 Jun 2023
Old PC, or laptop with battery removed.
When the Mac Mini 2020 with the M1 chip gets old enough, that would be the best by far as it's an amazing machine and it can sync the whole blockchain overnight.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @iguano 13 Jun 2023
There are super cheap used servers.
Those are the best value.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Zepasta 13 Jun 2023
Raspberry Pis area really, really expensive nowadays. I paid over 300 shitfiat for mine (with all the accessories). The positive side is that it only consumes about 2-3 watts.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @nullama 13 Jun 2023
Computers these days are just as efficient, if not more, and you can do a lot more with a normal computer. For example, the mac mini 2020 uses 6.8W while idle and 39W at max. source and it can sync the whole blockchain overnight, plus it's absolutely silent.
For the Pi 4 they recommend a PSU of 15W source. It's great for tinkering, but it's not any more a great deal for general computing.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Zepasta 13 Jun 2023
I don't trust Apple.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 14 Jun 2023
Fair enough, you can also have a look at Microsoft's Project Volterra.
It's basically MS's response to Apple's ARM chips.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @PoolcleanerSteve 13 Jun 2023
Cheap is using what ever old computer you have laying about at home. Upgrade to a 2tb ssd. Install Ubuntu and node software
Try to achieve with free junk
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @leo 12 Jun 2023
run a pruned Bitcoin Core node and LND (and two LNBits instances) on a Lunanode m.2 instance, advertised as 2GB RAM and 1 virtual core. No issues whatsoever.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 12 Jun 2023
used thinkpad or dell
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