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"custody wallets for newcomers" is not even the conversation you wanted to have. You couldn't even move past the very basic breakdowns of this argument to even get to "but what about newcomers".
I can address that though. Its like I said to your first comment back then, custody does not equal good UX. I started my family off on Pheonix wallet with no problems. I got my girlfriend using breez with no instructions of my own, only the UX of https://lightsats.com/
As you pointed out in another comment, after you get a newbie on a custodial wallet, you have to come back over and over "hey, its time for self-custody now. Its time to learn more now". People don't want to give up something they think works and have no understanding of the risks thereof. You're just spending more time and effort when you can totally and completely skip this step with good UX self-custody wallets.
I disagree. It's not about moving away from the custodial wallet, it's about adding additional layers. In my experience, the seed phrase as a huge barrier for most newbies. Yeah they'll go through the motions, write down the seed, but they haven't a clue what, why, nor the magnitude of the responsibility they're endeavoring. For these reasons, they WILL screw it up.
UX stands for user experience, no? If yes, a custody is in fact a better 'X'perience for a newcomer. So I disagree with you there as well.
You actually never asked how I felt on the matter re: non-custody wallets. I'm actually very much for self-custody. I just believe there is a place for custody wallets... allow me explain:
I see it as a three-tiered system: the vault, the safe, and the wallet. The wallet being a custody wallet: for ease of use, especially onboarding a newcomer. That's where you start them and get them hooked. And again, make them fully aware never to use it for storing anything more than what they're willing to lose. Then you 'step up the ladder' so to speak to the safe when they're ready an aware of the importance of the seed phrase: a simple hw used to store a 'medium' amount (whatever that means for them). Once they're thoroughly orange-pilled and ready to invest an inordinate amount, now we move them up to the vault: air-gapped coldcard multisig, etc.
I hope this helps clarify. Have a great day!
Well, as an ex-vegan so I have a unique view that extends back quite a ways. We're all in our various and respective information silos online. Perhaps these days it's less prominent, and I may be applying my memory of the past to the present.
I also don't want to name-drop the particular accounts I've seen taking such extreme views re; custody wallets for newcomers. Apologies for the vagueness there, but it's intentional.