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Do you trust Apple's differential privacy?
4892 sats \ 22 comments \ @0397f4ba43 14 Aug 2023 tech
https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/scenes-differential-privacy
It sounds like they can learn statistics from the population to improve the products, without being able to see anyone's data.
Would you actually trust Apple that they not tracking my location of scanning photos?
Is this technology really private like NSA or Apple can't see my photos or location?
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305 sats \ 0 replies \ @sandagoriate 14 Aug 2023
Not open-source. Not 100% trustiful.
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211 sats \ 0 replies \ @2bithits 14 Aug 2023
No I don't
They want to dominate absolutely. Look at all their extras (headphones, chargers) with unique connections so they can take that market too.
Data is the new gold. And they have it
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341 sats \ 2 replies \ @gunson 14 Aug 2023
No idea. My left curve strategy is just to use Graphene, minimize big tech apps and then generally not have to think about it.
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111 sats \ 1 reply \ @duvel 14 Aug 2023
What is a left curve strategy?
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @NothingNewUnderTheSun 14 Aug 2023
Left side of the bell curve I think, like the meme. Embrace the grug brain and align yourself with the galaxy brains on the right.
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1801 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eljay 14 Aug 2023
I think with apple you are private to other applications but fully open to them. Graphene all the way.
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600 sats \ 0 replies \ @rijndael 14 Aug 2023
Differential Privacy is super cool. Apple seems to be on the leading edge of practical implementation. Hoping it gets more widely used in apple devices and the broader ecosystem.
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161 sats \ 0 replies \ @legxxi 14 Aug 2023
No. By running a corporation there’s a lot of compliance needed. And we know what kind of laws we have and the institutions that enforce them.
That being said, I trust Apple more than any of the other commercial actors.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @038af041f8 14 Aug 2023
Differential privacy is pretty old and as far as I know nobody really broke it, so if they didn’t put any backdoors in it, this looks legit.
They should open source all the code. And maybe use this to fix the damn keyboard:-)
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300 sats \ 0 replies \ @038af041f8 14 Aug 2023
Actually, It looks like it’s a public protocol: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppm-dap/
This paper describes it in more details. It’s using zero knowledge proofs to reject invalid vectors without seeing them: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.15017
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111 sats \ 0 replies \ @quark 14 Aug 2023
No. And I would prefer my device(if I had one of those apple products) to not consume battery to do all this data processing.
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6 sats \ 3 replies \ @03365d6a53 14 Aug 2023
Why use an iPhone when you have Graphene?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @phaedrus 14 Aug 2023
What is the main privacy value of using Graphene instead of iOS?
I use both iPhone and Pixel with Graphene btw.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @phaedrus 14 Aug 2023
If using normal sim from T-Mobile/Verizon/etc, your phone is tracked even with Graphene.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @phaedrus 14 Aug 2023
I think they both send logs, but iOS ties some of them with AppleID? Ie is AppleID with real identity the main issue?
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6 sats \ 0 replies \ @badabing 14 Aug 2023
No. Happy over here with GrapheneOS.
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @franzap 14 Aug 2023
Fuck Apple. Get Graphene
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31 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 14 Aug 2023
No. I am soothed by them telling me they care about my privacy and they have less reason to gather data than Google but I ultimately don't trust them.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @038af041f8 14 Aug 2023
Yep, much better business model than Google/Meta but they still need the data to make their expensive products work well for everyone. ML/data is the only way to do that at scale.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 16 Aug 2023
No. I don't trust them. The point is you have to trust them. The ideal relationship with a company like Apple is one where I don't have to trust them because I can know the state of my data and its security.
I will say Apple is better about security than Google as well as privacy but there is still too much trust required due to the closed source OS and their cloud applications. If you can't see the truth/reality you must trust them and I don't.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ceife 14 Aug 2023
No.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @brianh 14 Aug 2023
i don't trust apple at all
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