Protonmail has always held a special place in my heart, even with their erstwhile fuckups. I remember donating $50 to their indigogo crowdfunding campaign in 2014 and watching PayPal freeze the donations due to doubts on the legality of encryption...🫠 Snowden’s revelations were only the year prior and still working their way through the global consciousness. Protonmail for those unaware gets its name from the small group of particle physicists and computer scientists that started the company out of CERN.
Now some housekeeping:
  • ProtonCoin was a fuckup and I’m relieved nothing ever came of the project
  • How they handled the DDoS attack explanation after the French terrorist attack was iffy
  • How they handled the IP logging and court compliance revelation leading to the arrest of the French climate activist was a fuckup
But the bitcoin payment option, VPN, Swiss court victories, and transparency have heretofore ironed-out a forgivably rough start. They’ve shown a commitment to privacy imo, and it's been impressive for a mainstream platform, the word mainstream being key here.
So in December last year, when asked why Protonmail hasn’t integrated the Lightning Network yet, Protonmail founder and CEO Andy Yen replied to Forbes with something that went under the radar in bitcoin world:
”It’s just a matter of resources. We will eventually - it's simply a matter of time.
An integration like this seems significant considering Protonmail has over 100M global users. CashApp by comparison has half that. Protonmail boasts partnerships with Stanford, Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Cern, EthZurich, etc. Many of their global users aren’t native bitcoiners, and going the static route, it would give every Protonmail addressee a wallet linked to their call sign. Example: user@proton.me, just like user@stacker.news. Custodial or not, it's an important initial step.
So anyway, I DM’d Andy Yen (@andyyen) on Twitter, and contacted ProtonMail via email. I asked both about the platform’s LN progress seeing if I could get compatible answers. Which I surprisingly did, and I wasn't expecting replies from either. I don’t want to post them publicly, but they're “excited” and “working their way through the lightning menu”.
Look, I’ll believe it when I see it, but a toast to any and all interoperable frens: 🍻
Protonmail’s mainstream appeal is important. It’s rare for a privacy-centric platform to attract those kind of network effects. Their UX/UI is absolutely world-class. Their user-base is diverse and enormous. We should support them.
Cool 😎
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I use them for a looong while now, got in early and got good prices, paying them with BTC too. One of the best services around. I got no penny from them but I would recommend you try and have your own opinion. If you need discount code for paying service let me know. Maintaining an email server is a B#$@$$ and they do a decent job for me to stick around. Your mileage may vary...
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what are the main difference's with gmail? Is it that with gmail, you sign an agreement allowing them to read your email? that Proton mail the serveurs are in Switzerland? In Proton mail who has control of the private keys to sign a document? is it only you or Proton too? Who can recover them if they are lost. I have the impressions, that if you are willing to let gmail manage your keys it is just as encrypted or secret as gmail. Gmail will only make your emails readable if asked by law enforcement, but otherwise it is encrypted. same with Apple. In both cases they have the keys and you trust them. But Proton mail, if instructed to do so by law enforcement they will also make your data available. A case like that already occurred.
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Protonmail is end-to-end encrypted, it can generate a recovery phrase if you want to. Their servers are located where there are strong privacy laws, and there's nothing for them to log (like an IP address) if you use a VPN. Difference between gmail and protonmail is night and day. Are there even more secure email services other than Protonmail? Sure, but none with a UI/UX as good, none that are as mainstream, and none where you don't run your own server.
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Better than gmail but still basically garbage. I will move to something better the moment it appears. I'll build things if I can, it's on my list of things to do after I get Indranet out into the wild as a service to run on it, a modified, peer to peer, long form message system. Probably will be derivative of nostr's protocol for maximum flexibility.
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So salty! You're not wrong tho, I remember reading your white paper I think earlier this year for Indranet. Pretty cool.
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If I can pay for my email and VPN with Lightning, in spite of everything Proton has got a user for life.
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Glowies are everywhere these days...
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Apologies for this being off-topic, but you revealed a delightful SN feature (Easter egg?) to me with this. Probably unintentionally:
So anyway, I DM’d Andy Yen (@andyyen) on Twitter
SN's way of telling us that Andy is not here on SN (yet).
Anyway, haven't looked at Protonmail for quite some time, but perhaps time to reaccess, thanks!
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Love proton mail. Switched from Gmail and never looked back.
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I've used them before years ago but found their options lacking. & that was when they were totally free.
I'll switch to Proton & start paying when they integrate Lightning, however. Totally worth it.
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It's safe than Gmail? 🤔🤔
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Considerably more so. They use end-to-end encryption and can't read your email like Google. Also, if you use their VPN and pay in BTC, there's little for them to log and your privacy is solid. Both of their database centers are located in Switzerland, which has pretty good privacy laws.
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I would rather Nostr have a good end-to-end encrypted email function. Now a sufficiently attractive user interface and stable service are still far away. Never trust a company, no matter how reputable it is, because the person in charge is always Changes all the time.
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