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9666 sats \ 28 comments \ @faradayfedora 30 Aug 2023 meta

Anyone else getting kinda sick of the constant posts that just link to any and all crypto related articles, regardless if it's actually a good useful article? Almost think it should cost 100 sats to links to cut down on the spam.

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2418 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker 30 Aug 2023

SN's biggest risk is downward spiral of post quality and bottification. Whenever money is involved it attracts the greedy and unscrupulous

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @drdoom 30 Aug 2023

This could be mitigated with a trust / whitelist type system. If I meet you at a conference or just generally trust your posts are not bot/AI content then I can whitelist you. Make it a setting to toggle on/off the whitelist such that once you have enough whitelistees you can keep it on and enjoy the smaller-scale discussions with people you trust.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @faradayfedora OP 31 Aug 2023

I feel like that kinda goes against the spirit of it. Posting about be permissionless but not costless.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 31 Aug 2023

You'd never see new users stuff. New users would never get off the ground.

A blacklist however, everytime you see a "botpost" blacklist em. Should help weed out the crap.

1841 sats \ 1 reply \ @2bithits 30 Aug 2023

I see a lot in the 'recent' group. They are easy to spot at the moment. When the spam gets unbearable a 10 sat post might be necessary

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Aug 2023

I like this gradual approach. Make it 10 now and leave open the option of raising it to 100 if the problem persists.

605 sats \ 0 replies \ @BTC_Bellzer 30 Aug 2023

I have no hat but I refuse to click any link only posts the same way I refuse to click anything with a clickbaity title anywhere else

31 sats \ 4 replies \ @npub1freed0m 30 Aug 2023

Agreed - I would say, at least 100 sats, or better, 100 sats plus cowboy hat!

100 sats \ 3 replies \ @faradayfedora OP 30 Aug 2023

Or maybe 100 sats without a hat...

20 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Aug 2023

Do you mean keep it one for those with hats, but 100 for those without? If so, I love that idea.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @npub1freed0m 30 Aug 2023

hats can be easy to game - just zap another account you control.

100 sats for posts (not comments) I say is totally fair, it could even be 500 sats, if you have quality content to share then you will surely make this back.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Aug 2023

That's a good point. There's probably a way to adjust earning cowboy hats that would at least make gaming it a bit more obnoxious and reward authentic engagement with SN. I'll leave that to the real smart guys who develop the site.

15 sats \ 2 replies \ @TheBTCManual 31 Aug 2023

Yeah, I think links should cost more, and serial linkers could pay a bit more too, I see a lot of posts with links and not a single comment, accounts just looking to post the next bitcoin mag or coindesk artcle, like okay at least drop your take in the comments or add some value

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @bataroot 31 Aug 2023

I agree with you, I must say I was guilty at the beginning to just post a link without context.

To the link posters defense, when you add a link to SN, there is no field to add a description of any sort. Am I missing something?

That would be a good start to even make the link's description compulsory, even though we all know it can be gamed easily :( At least the SM community will communicate its intent.

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheBTCManual 31 Aug 2023

Lol I was also a serial link poster but I've stopped and that would be cool if there's an optional hot take section when you post a link and if you don't fill it you pay more just so it encourages user-generated unique content and discussion around the link

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Aug 2023

The flood of shitcoinery on SN is disturbing...

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @orthzar 31 Aug 2023

SN has definitely caught the attention of scammers/spammers. I have been trying to help by watching the Recent page and flagging anything that is obviously spam or a scam. But there's only so much a stacker can do.

Almost think it should cost 100 sats to links to cut down on the spam.

100 sats wouldn't be enough; spammers/scammers make way more than that on a single click-through. 10k+ might work, but that would destroy SN.

One alternative is to charge a penalty after-the-fact if a link turns out to be, for instance, a shitcoin referal link. Such penalties would need to be very clearly stated both in the ToS and newsletter.

Another alternative is to do some filtering on the client-side. I have considered making a blacklist of certain websites, but a whitelist might be more appropriate.

2069 sats \ 10 replies \ @carlosfandango 30 Aug 2023

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41 sats \ 2 replies \ @scottathan 30 Aug 2023

That's probably smart. The cowboy hat is a pretty good indicator of whether a person is invested in making SN productive. Maybe I should do better at keeping my hat on

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Aug 2023

Maybe we can get a filter option to only see posts from proper cowboys.

16 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 30 Aug 2023

I only read this as you have one lol!

10 sats \ 6 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 31 Aug 2023

The hats good for sure. But you lose it if you're inactive for a day. I went away for a weekend in the middle of nowhere and lost my hat :( didn't take long to get it back, but if my posts had been ignored because of no hat. I wouldn't have gotten the hat back. Thankfully now, there's a small community of people who recognise my nym. But as a community grows, can't keep track of everyone you trust as easily.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @carlosfandango 31 Aug 2023

The hat should probably be the first thing you look for when you return…. dangerous round these parts without one.

As you say its easy, easy to trust within a small community. Trusting strangers without verifying is the opposite of Bitcoin after all.

20 sats \ 4 replies \ @nemo 31 Aug 2023

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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @carlosfandango 31 Aug 2023

Some names (or indeed the name nobody lol) carry a reputation and their hat is not required round here.

Satfarmers will get bored and move on, shame they have to clog up the feed till they learn…

The more flagging the better (counter intuitive as that comment sounds) but it’s a subjective thing. I flag AI nonsense and shitcoin shills because that adds no value to me…. but others may argue it does add value to them.