Bitcoin OGs: What's something you dislike of the Bitcoin culture of today?
604 sats \ 39 comments \ @pako 22 Oct 2023 bitcoin
Recently I've been reading David Gerard's "Attack of the 50ft Blockchain" and so far it's a pretty good look into the stupidity of the past, of course I know the book it's deliberately written to make you fall into the fallacy of composition, but it's true that many people did many stupid things (like the guy who had a heat stroke so bad he got permanent brain damage because he was mining in his own room) and some had some extremely bad opinions (like the guy who said that being surrounded by scammers was a sign of good health), so looking into that, and knowing that many people were against these idiots, what's something of today's Bitcoin culture you dislike? How different is it today from the past for you? And would you change if you could?
For me, it's the people who believe in stupid things just to be anti establishment, e.g: once I saw this guy on Twitter say the "Bitcoin would cure homosexuality and restore the traditional family", lamentably I have no proof since I never saved the tweet but it was hilarious.
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262 sats \ 9 replies \ @southside263 23 Oct 2023
bitcoin is a protocol - focus on that.
humans are gonna human lol
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10 sats \ 7 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
It is. That doesn't mean I'm blind (or that I should be at) to the stupidity in community.
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10 sats \ 6 replies \ @southside263 23 Oct 2023
over 2 years on bitcoin twitter will give you plenty to cringe at…
sadly, that is their worldview 🫨
lucky bitcoin twitter is a tiny population of the total global bitcoin users lol 🤙🏽
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10 sats \ 5 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
Most bitcoiners I know in real life try to distance themselves as much as possible from the Twitter crowd.
It's terrible and an absolute shitshow, then they ask why accounts like maxi derangement exist and why Buttcoin calls us all a cult.
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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @southside263 23 Oct 2023
Sports and music is tribal, I’ve heard the online gaming community can be toxic too.
it doesn’t mean that all sports, music and games are bad.
Buttcoin(Gerard?) and bitcoin naysayers only see the loud maxis shouting HFSP and NGMI. Instead of saying “some people really need this protocol. I’m hearing you don’t need bitcoin and that’s ok”
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
I know, that's why I say that he falls for the fallacy of composition (where you assume a whole group behaves like the worst part of it).
What I mean is that those people are proud to be the worst possible people you can see online, they are proud to be seen as maniacs and anyone who's not a maniac isn't a real member of the group, when that couldn't be farther from the truth.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @southside263 23 Oct 2023
He wrote that book in 2017 and the number of non-zero addresses is still climbing lol
I’m not worried about a small group of loud bitcoiners online 😊
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
I'm not worried about that, idiocy won't stop Bitcoin adoption, but I'm not blind either.
I just found funny that everything he points out to be a flaw of Bitcoin is everything I find stupid about a part of the community (hence he doesn't hate Bitcoin, he only hates American Style Libertarians, emphasis in American Style), I just wanted to know the similarities with today, I'm sure that many OGs also hated everything stupid that happened during that time and surely hate things that happen today.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 23 Oct 2023
This
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110 sats \ 0 replies \ @harrr 23 Oct 2023
Right wing people (like Saifedean Ammous too) who can have some great insight and thoughts but also think that bitcoin will lead to some conservative utopia. Bitcoin is freedom technology, freedom is not conservative, it is not left, it is not right, it is for all people.
"Bitcoin would cure homosexuality and restore the traditional family"
Lol, yeah, like that.
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123 sats \ 10 replies \ @jtwoodhouse 23 Oct 2023
Bitcoiners supposedly believe in freedom, but God forbid you buy something other than the one thing they happen to have a huge bag of.
Most of bitcoin maximalism is about preserving exit liquidity.
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20 sats \ 5 replies \ @TheBTCManual 23 Oct 2023
This! Definitely an element of self preservation, I think there are lot of people who preach bitcoin but have a certain dollar figure that would see them dump their entire stack in a heart beat lol
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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
Those aren't "bitcoiners" lmao, those are statist dollar cucks who are new and don't understand bitcoin.
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123 sats \ 3 replies \ @TheBTCManual 23 Oct 2023
There is no true Scotsman is there?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
Only a true Scotsman would recognize a true Scotsman, but there are none.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
Maybe not, but you are probably a TRUE statist cuck and TRUE DEGENERATE FILTH. It's trivial to describe someone who is not a bitcoiner as you just did.
"Rule #1 : The only time someone stops being a Bitcoiner is when they die.
Rule #2 : If Rule #1 is broken, you're wrong, that person was not actually a Bitcoiner in the first place."
https://twitter.com/parman_the/status/1698625021336559918
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheBTCManual 23 Oct 2023
Yip, loved the state growing up in apartheid South Africa :)
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1 sat \ 1 reply \ @harrr 23 Oct 2023
Nah, we just want to preserve other people's wealth. We don't want them to burn their wealth with shitcoins.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jtwoodhouse 23 Oct 2023
It's not just shitcoins I'm talking about. A house. Restaurants. Basic necessities.
Hang around bitcoin long enough and you'll hear anything referred to as a scam.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
Hey buddy, OP asked for OGs. I suppose it's a bit difficult for you to identify yourself as a non-OG as you just outed yourself as someone who hasn't figured out bitcoin yet.
Though congratulations are in order -- you are not a sociopath, just 90% retarded and 10% a non-sociopathically defective human incapable of game theoretically optimal cooperative behavior.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @knorozov 23 Oct 2023
Like FTT?
You don't know how many people were saved from disaster by these kind of messages.
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10 sats \ 6 replies \ @TheBTCManual 23 Oct 2023
I don't think I am OG by a long shot but I am becoming jaded with things like people taking the Bitcoin fixes this meme too seriously, the idea that because you're right about Bitcoin and avoided shitcoins and forks like BCH and on the 'right side of history" so to speak that you're right about everything.
Sometimes very little room for nuance in discussions and you get shut down with some tired talking point rather than engaging the idea. Again like southside side humans are going to human and i'm trying not to pay too much attention to it, its just that I come into contact with people like this on my bitcoin learning journey suppose its part of it, and teaching myself to be low time preference and accept things I can't change
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
Also not an OG, and I commented about normie takes like yours being on the rise since Saylor and the "professional" class of person in bitcoin. It's really said that the caliber is falling e.g. you conflated bitcoin fixing things with a person being right about things, implicitly suggesting that the premise of fixing is untrue because a person may be wrong is highly disingenuous.
Will bitcoin fix you and make you smarter? Probably not, but it will make you poorer if you conduct yourself economically with stupidity.
Happy for you that you are so insulated from the problems of the world that you can afford to have such absurd beliefs and disregard for the significance of bitcoin. Must be nice.
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10 sats \ 4 replies \ @TheBTCManual 23 Oct 2023
Lol can't be what I'm not, just a normie who holds Bitcoin, why should I pretend im something else? Pretty transparent about that, as for insulating myself from the problems of the world, how did you figure that?
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114 sats \ 3 replies \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
Because when you encounter a deep problem in the world and you understand that it didn't have to be that way, but was made that way because of fiat, you gain a deeper appreciation for bitcoin. And I don't mean noticing some theoretical thing, I mean having it impact you directly.
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1 sat \ 2 replies \ @Michelson_Morley 23 Oct 2023
Well said. Can you give an example from your own experience?
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113 sats \ 1 reply \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
Most people don't like hearing the examples I have to share
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Michelson_Morley 24 Oct 2023
A recent example for me is the sadness I would feel after being outcast on reddit for the n:th time for saying that a spade is a spade. Karma on reddit is fiat social points, can be taken away at any moment, manipulated, botted. If I zap you on stacker, then i have given you true social points. There is no cheating that.
Another example is when I (this winter) worked for a company as their blockchain senior dev, in the project of making NFTs (ethereum) to be used as entry-tickets to their digital services. And realizing that nobody there cared about making things fair. Making our customers a system that was trustless. They just wanted to shill NFTs hoping they were gonna gain a buck. So I quit. Fuck ethereum and aristocratic "proof of stake".
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @knorozov 23 Oct 2023
People reading David Gerard.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
Don't you read any criticism of the things you like?
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @oli 23 Oct 2023
  • The idea that running a non-mining node is "doing your part" for the network.
  • The idea that Bitcoin will solve all world problems.
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
I feel you there.
  1. You run a node because you want to have your version of the network
  2. A hard money standard would solve many problems with today's world and it's bound to happen again sooner of later, but won't fix the whole world.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @benthecarman 23 Oct 2023
Just because segwit was a war doesn't mean every future soft fork also needs to be
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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @DiracDelta 23 Oct 2023
For me, it's the people who believe in stupid things just be normie e.g: once I saw this guy on Stacker News suggest "Bitcoin will have absolutely zero impact on rates of homosexuality and have zero effect on the nature of relationships and family formations."
I think these sorts of leftist normies are usually people who haven't been in bitcoin that long, or perhaps only have a small position and never thought much about why money matters. It's pretty clear that these bitcoin "moderates" who are no less in denial than nocoiners (same types that think fiat and credit will exist forever alongside bitcoin). Anyway, I'm not an OG.
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227 sats \ 3 replies \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
I'm guessing your definition of "leftist" is the gringo definition of leftist.
You shouldn't assume things about people without knowing them first.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @knorozov 23 Oct 2023
If done by serious people, sure.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @pako OP 23 Oct 2023
What do you mean by serious people? Maybe you were trying to reply to another comment?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @knorozov 23 Oct 2023
Oh sorry, indeed.
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