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231 sats \ 6 replies \ @elvismercury 10 Nov 2023 \ on: Balaji Srinivasan’s “Network States” bitcoin
The most interesting thing about the idea, to me, is the coupling of a token -- in the form of a crypto token -- to a shared endeavor, like one of the original joint stock companies. The token gets value by shared belief of those within the given network state, as a kind of localized money, an abstraction of the value redeemable in that community for services within and to that community, much like company script in the 19th century, or private money. George Selgin wrote a very interesting book about this latter.
It's hard to imagine a bitcoin version, since the vocal bitcoiners are so opposed to other kinds of tokenized money-like things. But you can nonetheless imagine a network state whose tokens exist alongside 'real' money (which is bitcoin, in this case) that serve as a bridge to the outside world. You can't just throw out the token and keep the rest of Balaji's idea -- the token, as an coordination construct that has power within the domain of the given network state -- plays a key role. You could think of it as a more active kind of equity, I suppose.
Private money administered by a federation of participants in a domain is basically what Fedimint is. Having a general token, seperate from the money in a domain, are like assets on Liquid
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Liquid grounds the assets in btc though, right? Whatever tokens you might create are pegged at a certain rate to the underlying?
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yeah the value of the token reflects the value put into the community, it's a great feedback loop, for what is essentially the start of a company. Bitcoin can absolutely be a valuable tool in funding and anchoring these startups, i don't understand the resistance to accepting alternative tokens/chains for these proprietary sort of organizations & communities. it can be a very symbiotic relationship.
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The resistance is a combo of simple bagholding interest (every usd that inflates a shitcoin is a usd that's not swelling their own bags) combined with a saltiness in response to the avalanche of grift that entered via the altcoin / shitcoin space and that soured normies on "crypto", including bitcoin.
Of course, to hear them speak of it, it's 100% the latter and 0% the former.
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I can't see 'the bitcoin state' becoming a thing, it's too broad. but can imagine some smaller subgroup within the broader user base, like the bitcoin monastery idea
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Agreed. People who hold bitcoin (I hesitate to even use the word 'bitcoiner' to describe the group at this point) are no longer a unified bloc, if they ever were. It's like talking about the preferences of 'white people' as if it was one thing.
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