40 sats \ 17 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022 \ on: What are your thoughts on How to prevent School Shootings? bitcoin
Gun control...
Doesn't work.
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you need to try first...
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if you feel like allowing your opinions to be challenged, here's a reasonable place to start
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Thanks I'll check this out
Edit: Whoops thought you were replying to me
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Still won't work.
Making owning a firearm more prohibitive and limited only hampers the public's ability to defend itself. Mass shooters will ignore these laws. Banning firearms not only deprives the public ability to defend itself, its a step towards tyranny. These laws are immoral and don't address the root issue, the killer himself.
The only way to prevent mass shootings is to stop these killers from becoming killers in the first place and defend yourself against those who do. The best the state can do is get out of the way.
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who is talking about prohibitive and limited?
you have car controls and believe me, you have plenty of cars.
I understand than in the US the wild wild west culture is well rooted on the popular consciousness.
But you don't need a lot of people with mental health issues to kill 20 or more kids if you give them easy access to assault rifles and military grade weapons.
In any case I'm just giving my opinion, I don't live in the US, and is not my problem.
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Mass shootings can happen anywhere, so I think you have every right to comment on this issue as I do. Its not just a US problem. Believe it or not we're only 11th when it comes to the public mass shootings: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
When you make more laws on how people can own firearms, you make owning a firearm more limited and prohibitive. That's the purpose of gun control laws.
I understand than in the US the wild wild west culture is well rooted on the popular consciousness.
Its not about "wild, wild west culture". Its about natural rights. You're a Bitcoiner. We know that we can't trust the state to even manage its own finances and currency. How could we possibly trust it to properly manage an issue like this? How can we trust it to curtail natural rights without abusing said power?
But you don't need a lot of people with mental health issues to kill 20 or more kids if you give them easy access to assault rifles and military grade weapons.
That's why you don't give them access to guns. You don't need the state to enforce that. See my other comment on this thread.
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Come on dude, this article is completely misleading...
its says in the title 2022, and all the data they use is from 2009 to 2015... (check their sources on the last graph and at the end of the article). off course they cherry pick the data, search for yourself, how many mass murder happened this year in Norway, UK or France? The numbers are out of proportion.
I'm a bitcoiner, I love freedom but bitcoin have rules!, society needs rules to function, US is not a dictatorship, but is not about everyone doing what they want.
In any case, I respect your opinion, thanks for sharing it with me. I think I have mine, is not going to change.
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I agree that rules are absolutely necessary. However, the rules should not tread on your natural rights. I believe that any gun control does this.
Thanks for engaging in this conversation with me!
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np man, any time, I understand is an uncomfortable subject...
I'm not against guns at all, I understand the reasons, and understand the right given on the US constitution.
Is just that is hard for me to see these events and I feel there is no real engagement for a solution.
I'm afraid because of the excessive measures taken by governments on the COVID pandemic, mental health of our societies got impacted and we are going to see more and more events like this spreading like wild fire.
Anyways, I don't want to be the one spreading shitties ideas.
The thread i linked above addresses your point about "cherry-picking" very directly.
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to be honest with you, I prefer to use google myself, and find information by my own.
you can do it yourself, go and search "mass shooting france, uk, canada autralia in 2022", and use excel and count them, and build your criteria. make sure to compare year by year by yourself, not 2015 in norway vs 2009 in us, which is how it looks this articles likes to compare., if you dont believe in google algorithm, you can use duckduckgo.com.
I don't believe in any prebuild articles sorry.
At least that's how i build my ideas.
I can be easily challenged in this way. I can change my mind any time If i see information this way that show my believes are wrong.
can you change your mind?
Already did
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In Europe they dont really have freedom to own firefarms but they still have these incidents where a pilot will crash a plane full of people into a mountain on purpose, someone will steal a truck and drive it into a crowd. So its not a gun issue. That being said these incidents are rare all things considered, and not something every day people should worry about.
But I believe that wholesome education and a rational and fully market based society will reduce such incidents.
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how many plane incidents they have in Europe at month? are you sure you are comparing same amount of incidents?
I mean, I understand that you can kill someone else with a pencil, but a gun is made to kill, that their purpose, is obviously to me that in a civilized country you have to had at least a background check to buy one.
In any case, like I said before, I don't live in the US. I'm just giving my opinion.
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I dont think that is the right approach because if someone passes a background check and gets a gun you are basically saying do whatever the fuck you want with it since he passed the background check
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"basically saying do whatever the fuck you want with it"
where did I say this?
I think you are smart, no need to explain you how rules work.
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