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280 sats \ 12 replies \ @nerd2ninja 3 Dec 2023 \ parent \ on: Why all the UMA hate? bitcoin
So everything you like about this is actually called Bolt-12 (yes bolt-12 has a fiat currency field as part of the spec). All that Uma adds, is kyc.
There is absolutely no excuse. There is no "helping adoption". There is only you, all your information getting leaked from corporate server hacks, and the IRS meddling in African payment transfers. How does that last one work? It doesn't. Which is why they're unbanked in the first place.
I found some info on it I don’t understand how bolt 12 could send fiat currency if a bank can’t be connected. For businesses that want to get paid in dollars via lightning network, they need the money to come in as dollars and I feel like only a bank connected to lightning can do that for them.
Is there more you can share about it?
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Basically with bolt 12 you can ask for an invoice for $12 instead of 30k sats. You still send sats in the end, but the invoice request amount is in a different currency
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if a bank can’t be connected
The main idea of BTC and all the tech on top of it is... to fuck the banks... so, why we need to connect to them?
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I agree for the long term. I just see UMA as a way for non-bitcoin businesses to start benefiting from faster, cheaper, cross-border payments. By using Lightning as the rails, it entrenches bitcoin so when fiat currencies do eventually lose favor, it should be a seamless transition to sats.
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non-bitcoin businesses could start right now without UMA, and get faster, cheaper, cross-border payments, just use LNURL.
The business will have to do "a lot" of work anyway, UMA don't add value to them, just a bad blueprint to follow, but "they" don't touch anything. The rate, conversion and change from fiat to btc (in best case scenario) or shitcoins are in the business orbit, the business need to "compliance" to local authorities and be enabled to accept btc and change for fiat.
From my view, UMA it's just trying to size an opportunity without risk, follow my recipe (pay me) and I am clean.
I need to dig a little more into the infrastructure they are using, because seems a "private" network on top off lightning, their nodes router only kyc/compliance invoices, so if a normal node try to connect with them, it will be forbidden.
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Have you heard of strike or CashApp? They both have this thing called "pay with lightning". Fiat to btc to send, payment app with connected bank account converts btc to fiat on the receive, but Fiat is only on the ends. Either end could not use Fiat at all. Its more interoperable that way.
And that's without Bolt-12