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Preamble
There are three parents to this idea.
First, @Onions talked about blogging on SN.
Second, a post about a Wordpress plugin to use Lightning for comments to reduce spam.
Third, my own weird process, where when I find a cool thing that has a Hacker News discussion, I save it in my notes with a link to the HN comments, not the thing itself.
I do this because what's most valuable to me is good discussion about stuff I care about. But good discussion is murderously hard to find on the web. For topics the HN audience discusses, it's super high SNR. But most of what I care about isn't discussed there. Or, as with btc, the discussion is super stupid, for various reasons.
SN as universal, incentive-bearing discussion layer
The larger point, though, is that an effective discussion layer for things on the internet would be awesome. It's been tried before, and it's usually terrible, bc the business model doesn't work. (See e.g., Disqus.)
So the idea: could SN be this layer?
Locality vs ubiquity
Right now, SN is its own place. Soon, it will have subs, and it will be its own places. That will be awesome! But what if it could be a comment layer for anything and everything? The most boring version is a Disqus-like plugin, which is maybe what the LN/WP plugin, above, was trying to do. That would be pretty good. But the most exciting version is like a browswer extension or something, where any site could potentially be the source of a SN discussion; and the discussion would always be there. It would be a permanent artifact, an annotation of the thing that went along with the thing.
Virtues
I can see a bunch of nice benefits:
  • It would benefit the site in providing well-designed threaded discussion that takes care of spam via real monetary incentives, and also earns the site revenue.
  • It would benefit SN, in getting whatever percentage SN gets from zaps.
  • It would benefit btc, in making use of its unique properties.
  • (And also, because I can't help it: grounding btc in a different kind of social activity.)
  • It would benefit the internet, because comments are so terribly broken.
Discussion
I don't understand enough about the nuances of being a LN node, channel management, and all that, to know whether this is technically viable from that point of view. But I think it works from the big picture perspective.
Thoughts?
We have a very stale gh issue on Disqus-like comment embedding. Both @Car and @TonyGorgio have requested this memorably, but many others too.
I like the idea and related ideas a lot. I can identify the itch. Only, scratching it is nontrivial enough that it's always felt like another product entirely (albeit a very adjacent one).
  • I've been told comment embedding is pretty tractable (hence the gh issue) despite most solutions I'm familiar with tending to be fragile.
    • but, maybe the fragility is spam/incentives related
  • I'd guess annotation extensions struggle with network effects.
    • but, maybe this isn't a problem for a product with existing network effects
In either case, I imagine it's kind of like designing an organism to live on every carbon rich planet. We know what life looks like on one of them, yet not what life that adaptable looks like exactly.
tl;dr it's something I would attempt to build if I could hire someone capable of building it well. Perhaps only after they helped me build all the other high priority things I can't yet build without them.
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939 sats \ 0 replies \ @dk 4 Dec 2023
I love this concept, but agree it's a bit adjacent rn.
I wonder if there is something of a more immediate bridge that could get there. One thing I'd like is a "read-it-later" system that lets me occasionally/easily share to SN and be informed when people are commenting/discussing on SN about something I may have saved privately.
I sometimes use Pocket for this kind of thing, but I find it to be more of a disconnected silo for me. Not very networked/connected to other people. SN is all about the people.
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228 sats \ 1 reply \ @Car 4 Dec 2023
I remember we both pitching this to him back in 2021. It was and still is the same answer.
🤣 The first few episodes of Stacker News Live is basically me telling Keyan to build anything and everything. He was right back then he's still right now. Yes it pains me to say that.
🤔 Looking at the problem now though it would likely make more sense for something like Mash to build.
Maybe @jared_nusinoff could chime in.
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Good ideas keep coming back around, I guess.
What's Mash?
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I think @fiatjaf has written a nostr app (Browser plug-in) for this: https://github.com/fiatjaf/wen
There's also has a nostr-based disqus-like plug-in that can be integrated to any Web page, and fj uses it on his blog.
Also, on a related note, Gab was the first to introduce the idea with "Dissenter," but it was eventually banned from the Chrome store...
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It's a discussion layer as far as Bitcoin is concern
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