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51 sats \ 3 replies \ @harrr 7 Jan 2024
Limit of 21M coins, new block every 10 minutes.. bitcoin doesn't give a fuck about an ETF.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Cowboy 7 Jan 2024
Institutions can issue there's paper bitcoin to it's investors,
Reasons (because of it's supply)
No liquidity in market (Seller)
Bitcoin on chain = 21m
BitcoinETFs at institutions = (∞)
It going to happens soon once ETF approved.
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5 sats \ 1 reply \ @harrr 7 Jan 2024
Like I said, bitcoin doesn't give a fuck. We've had "paper bitcoin" since mtgox, there's nothing new to see here.
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwearyDoctor 7 Jan 2024
While exchanges can and do issue paper bitcoin, the ETF legally can't, they have to buy actual bitcoin when new investors buy shares in the ETF.
What we have to worry about is that this shift allows tradfi investors to get in the action, while slowly building up walls against self-custody and owning bitcoin outside of it. This is not, however, in the interest of BlackRock. They need the plebs to drive the price action.
In stock market companies, ETFs are centralizations of control. Blackrock buys so much that they become the major stockholder of pretty much all of the US and EU companies, vacuuming up voting power.
By that, ETFs show the conflicts between different interests in the elite owner class, generally: great for the issuer while getting pension fund and private investment capital to flood the valuation. This latter part is great for other investors on the money side, the former part screws them in the voting power department. Small investors don't care, they never could influence anything anyway and just want the price action, but it creates a conflict with the other major owners UNTIL the money is right for them to say, whatever.
Bitcoin obviously has none of that, as there is no control over the network through majority ownership.
Through this context, VanEck's "donations" to the core developers makes another kind of sense: they're using the ETF to get to what they perceive to be the locus of power. Also, the two biggest owners of Marathon are Vanguard and Blackrock, of Riot, same, Cipher Mining, same. And you bet someone's thought of buying 10 000 nodes with pocket change.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Gian 7 Jan 2024
ETF the same old story, created by banks for banks, we don't need it...
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @oliverweiss 7 Jan 2024
All underlying Bitcoin, can be a lot of it, will be the KYC-Bitcoin, so not as intended to be. If you are a gov and want to regulate Bitcoin you want to have ETFs, and this brings a bit of fragility into the system.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cowboy 7 Jan 2024
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @TNStacker 7 Jan 2024
Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer electronic cash system. Banks are not our peers! And if you are looking for someone to custody your Bitcoin, I fear you are missing the point!
We don't need no stinking ETF. But we also won't let them stop us!
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